Chicago White Sox

I hope this dude is still in high school or something, because what kind of grown ass man actually makes fun of someone else for being smarter than them.

What in the fuck are you rambling about? Comparing a $100M+ investment to making a fucking blizzard has got to be the dumbest shit I have ever heard on this board. There is a reason people a lot smarter than you are paid millions of dollars to make these decisions. There is a reason all companies (not just baseball) are levering analytics into their decision making process. People like Jim Bowden are no longer making these decisions because the game passed them by years ago. Your entitled to have a difference of option on Bauer, but your view that I’m overstating the importance of analytics and the people who work them is laughable.

I’m indifferent on Kasper, but it sure is fun seeing all the media attention we’re getting over it and I love when Cubs fans get salty.

100% agree.

I’d easily do 5/$150M with Bauer.

You are so off here it’s not even funny.

That’s not how valuation works and baseball is managed by a bunch of Ivy Leaguers and legit data scientists who know how to forecast appropriately.

Sure, some people are adjusting their go-forward projections due to past performance, but there will be at least couple teams who feel he’s a 5 to 6 win pitcher over next handful years and that will ultimately set his marker above $30M/year.

What do you mean that’s not how it works?

Daniels is still in charge though

You don’t pay for past performance, you pay for expected production.

That’s your Reinsdorf going “all in” on a budget move right there. Might not be enough for the Pirates to hire but it’s at least an interesting way for us to fill a couple of holes with cost controlled players.

White Sox get: Joe Musgrove Bryan Reynolds Pirates get: Jared Kelley Jonathan Stiever Micker Adolfo James Beard

It’s absolute insanity that the Padres are involved and we wouldn’t be. Not doubting them after the Machado fiasco, but it truly is pathetic for Jerry to be this cheap.

Fully agree.

If Bauer is only getting something like 4/$140M we should be all over that. I know it’s a huge AAV ($10M than we offered Wheeler), but you erase most of the downside risk of paying top dollar for clear declining years. Honestly, if you told me right now I could have that and Joc on a 2/$20M deal but nothing else, I’d be more than 100% ok with that as our entire offseason. Bauer is a legit perfect free agent for us and it will be a shame if / when he goes elsewhere.

All of us would, the problem is Uncle Jerry probably doesn’t agree.

Agree with this. I’d happily sign guys like Paxton, Richards, & Kluber to one year deals, but not overly eager to sign Tanaka or Ororizzi to a multi-year deal.

But if Bauer is a no go, who do you sign?

I mean, he did pitch in spring training this year and all signs were positive. Maybe there is still some risk, but the vast majority of guys who get TJS come back stronger velocity wise and have minimal side effects. The fact he’s passed the velocity test should be considered promising.

Reading up on his injury history and really have no idea what he’d be worth. I knew he hadn’t pitched in some time, but that is a brutal stretch of injuries and there really aren’t any good comps. With no options left maybe they would be willing to throw him. Just crazy how he went from a Kopech type prospect to potentially nothing in a blink of an eye.

Good point.

Why is he more of a risk post TJS? He’s already shown his velocity is back.

Seems real light for the Rays if they’re throwing Honeywell in there.

That’s where Cheesy stole it from? Do you know what Bowden specifically said on the Podcast?