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QUOTE (lord chas @ May 30, 2013 -> 09:36 PM) If a Dunn platoon/extended benching hasn't happened by now I don't think it ever will I hate that you're right

In related news, Rocky Biddle...

Who do we got in Charlotte?

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ May 29, 2013 -> 11:05 AM) The only way Alexei gets traded is if this team melts down. Totally. Part of the problem is that many of us are still blinded by steroid-era SS syndrome. We have arguably the best defensive SS right now and he's locked up cheap. That's all that should matter. Miguel Tejada took roids.

I think he's making it simple like it should be: Everyone in the organization that needs to be on the case is on the case. Everyone. So I assume there is this area of struggle in the minds of the FO being that so many years and efforts have been invested in the development of TF. Nobody thought he was going to be THIS bad or show such an inability to progress even slightly. And now with wonder boy coming outa nowhere in AAA the temptation to completely can TF has presented itself. It seems like a sucky place to be if you're in the FO. Anyone can look up Phegley's stats. Can he block balls in the dirt? Can he make more contact than TF? Does a cup of piss taste any better than a cup of s*** when you're starving?

I agree with the above. So what position to we trade for though. If people believe that Gillaspie is the answer at 3B then I feel like we really need to add some power somewhere. Power hitting outfielder? Makes sense but good luck trying to find a power hitting CFer cuz I don't think Tank or Rios are going anywhere soon. Same with Beckham, Alexei and maybe Conor. That leaves 1B and Catcher. 1B is a logjam of old s*** right now so that really just leaves catcher. It looks like a position guy has to go along with the starter we trade here.

Rematch! C'mon PK!

Who's blood of the penis? I love it more than simple words can explain.

What do we do if Danks can't get anybody out after say 5 starts?

QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ May 13, 2013 -> 09:47 PM) Phegley was highly touted for the bat when he was drafted, as a supp pick. He started well out of the gate too, then had health issues over a multi-year period. He's finally been healthy a full season last year, and offseson going into this year. That, too, will do magnificent things. Indeed sir! Hey weren't people saying he looked like s*** this spring, especially behind the plate? What's up with all that?

QUOTE (Jake @ May 13, 2013 -> 07:01 PM) Not sure what to make of Phegley, who hasn't really been very impressive with the bat thus far in his career Hard to say. It's always possible he's gotten better. Improving the eye at the plate leads to magnificent things. Just look at Viciedo right now with the small, but delicious, sample size.

QUOTE (chisoxt @ May 12, 2013 -> 05:01 AM) Strongly disagree. Williams' approach was totally unsustainable. At some point, you are going to run out of prospects to trade and pick up veteran players with awful contracts. If you have the financial resources and can buy your way out of trouble like Boston or New York, that's fine, but obviously the sox are not. do not think for one minute that Kenny didn't realized that last summer when he decided to run away like a scared child and step down leaving Hahn to clean up his mess. BS. Had the Santos and Quentin trades went right we'd be able to acquire any bat on earth. Nestor Molina had absolutely ridiculous stats the year we acquired him. Looked like a KW steal. My point is that I think his strategy IS sustainable.

I kinda hate how we rarely trade anybody before their deal is up. But that's also a direct result of always being in the division race in July. I understand the thinking of the FO in that regard.

QUOTE (The Ultimate Champion @ May 8, 2013 -> 11:45 PM) I guess if I could only have one thing it would be pitching, so that's kind of good. Has anyone actually seen a good amount of Carlos Sanchez to say what he is one way or the other? I'm sick of scouting reports, they're usually full of bulls***, and on Sanchez I've seen anything from not good enough defensively to stick at short to basically a terrific shortstop. The reason I bring this up is that if the Sox have a young, very good starting staff, plus a good young bullpen, and potentially a couple decent (Flowers becoming a league average player at some point?) position players who are young, cheap, and under control at very key/hard to fill positions, then things really aren't that bleak. If we mainly need some 1B/DH/corner OF types plus a 2B then we can do that a lot easier than building a pitching staff and acquiring some pretty decent skill position players. I find myself in line with this type of thinking usually. Since we seem to have nice stables of pitching at all levels we will always be somewhat competitive. Dunn crippled the franchise and ruined going on 3 years now any chance we've had as a team. It's almost over. We've got some good young position talent at key positions. I think KW's approach was always correct and still is- we just need to hit on the FAs instead of ruining Paulie's twilight years with a selfish idiot like Dunn batting next to him. We need to pay for 1 huge impact bat. 2 would be nice but 1 will probably do, supplemented with improving core young guys. The pitching will always be good enough IMO.

QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ May 8, 2013 -> 01:26 PM) The Sox have no choice but to do the half and half rebuild/retool thing. I have seen good points on here though. I don't think they trade Rios or Peavy unless they are blown away by an offer. OTOH, some of the bullpen pieces should be shopped and dealt away (Crain, Thornton, Lindstrom). I would even trade Konerko if you could get something back in return. De Aza should be available and I would deal Ramirez for a good return as well. The surplus of pitching is nice as well as the intriguing starts by Erik Johnson and Chris Beck. If the Sox added McCann, Morales types in the offseason and made one big trade including one of the young pitchers (Quintana) with Beckham and more, they could compete next year. They would have a better offense and a rotation that includes Sale, Danks, Peavy, Santiago/Quintana, and hopefully Erik Johnson. It could work. I would be on board with the full blown rebuild but many would not be. It's probably not possible with this fanbase. What makes a rebuild full-blown anyway? Our pipeline of pitching is pretty rock solid which means we will always be somewhat competitive. Our offense doesn't score runs as is so selling all those guys won't make us lose many more games. So therefore out draft position won't move up much; we'll never draft much higher than 8-12 with our pitching stables being so young and deep. So does selling all our pitching, major and minor league, constitute a full-blown rebuild? Then we'd officially suck in all facets of baseball and maybe get some high draft picks that'll pan out by 2018-2020. Cool.

QUOTE (Chilihead90 @ May 2, 2013 -> 10:07 PM) Hector Santiago. Would it be in bad taste for a gigantic "WE TOLD YOU SO"?? LOL I love when we pretend to know more than the organization. ?

QUOTE (Cali @ May 2, 2013 -> 02:09 PM) Well pushing a young bullpen and young starters and almost never using the bench hurts and that's kind of on Robin. Ugh Blah Puke Vomit post. I hate when hindsight is used like this.

QUOTE (Cali @ May 1, 2013 -> 12:29 AM) Win 20 and we'll talk. f***, win 11 and ill be flabbergasted. The talent is just not there even when healthy and Robin has lost the ability to get the best out of his players and is allowing the poor play that cost them a playoff birth 6 months ago to inexplicably continue in 2013. I don't think you can say that with any certainty. This offense has been a bowl of puke and we've still won quite a few games. Same with the defense. If the offense comes around a bit and the defense shores up, then Thornton Lidstrom and Jones aren't blowing games. I just don't see how it could get much worse but I do see how things could get better.

Wow Axe sucks.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Apr 25, 2013 -> 10:00 PM) Interesting. As far as hitters go, I still think batting average, on base percentage, RBIs, runs scored and how a guy hits with runners in scoring posn are pretty basic stats. Can't you tell if a guy is a good player or not by BA and on base percentage?? I would agree with that for the most part.

QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Apr 22, 2013 -> 03:26 PM) The best approach to rebuilding is moving your aging assets in years where you're clearly not going to contend. Paul Konerko Alex Rios Gavin Floyd Jake Peavy Parts from one of baseball's best bullpens. Good God, sadly, that's it. That's how bad this team is. There's NOTHING to build around, though, but are we that much worse an MLB team without the players above? If the Sox are going to suck (and they are) with or without these players, they might as well be gone and moved to bring in some good prospects. There are teams ready to compete out there willing to move young players - it happens every year. The White Sox have to stop acting like they're trying to win when they're not trying to win. This offense is abysmal and there's just no chance this team is going to win 80 games, let alone to sneak into the playoffs and get swept in the first round. Does anyone else think the Sox would have made the WS last year if we had held on? Detroit had a cakewalk through the al playoffs. I still think this team can win.

QUOTE (The Ultimate Champion @ Apr 21, 2013 -> 07:36 PM) Alexei = FA signing out of Latin America, as was Dayan, and we've made a few of those recently. CQ got here by trading Chris Carter, who at the time was another prospect with major flaws in his game who couldn't get recognition as a game-wide top-100 prospect. The guy we got in return would have had an MVP if he hadn't been angry and stupid at the same time. We're still holding talented-but-unheralded prospects other teams want, and there are always players in other organizations that have fallen out of favor. There's no reason to believe we can't come up with something, maybe not like Q, but good enough. Floyd and Danks got here by trading a young SP from an area of excess (check) and trading a vet with a year remaining (check). With the right moves we can do that again. Paulie we picked up via trade for a good young MLB player we developed but thought we didn't want/need. We have this also and can make that kind of deal with Viciedo if we found the right guy. Jenks = waiver claim. We're in a good waiver spot now. AJ & JD were smart FA signings on a budget. Hahn's best trait so far is his contract negotiation ability. Out of all those players you mentioned we have developed only 3 of those players ourselves: Buehrle (38th round, 1139 overall), Rowand (1st round, 35th overall), and Crede (5th round, 137 overall). Note how the highest pick wasn't all that high and he's also the lesser of the 3. Caulfield, I know you have been around here for a while. I remember you back from the WSI days. I have been on Sox boards since 2003 and the one recurring theme all these years (aside from hating ownership, the GM, and some of the best pieces of franchise history) is that the fans always want to rebuild at the first sign of trouble/weakness and yet at the same time they absolutely cannot stand losing. What the Sox have done is turn that 2003 team (remember all those rebuild calls after choking on the Twins?) and turned it into a World Champ 2 years later. Then they turned that stacked, but ultimately disappointing 2006 team into another division winner 2 years later, a veteran team of course, but one led by youth in Danks, Floyd, Quentin, Alexei. After that came the Ozzie ego years, but there is no doubt those 2011 & 2012 squads had the talent to win. We're here where we are now because the players didn't win, and so we're in another down period where we're waiting to form our next core, which BTW with potentially 4 good LHSP we're probably not too far away from. What the Sox have done, at least since I've been hanging around these miserable online fan forums, is basically spit in the faces of the rebuilders again and again and prove that they don't need to do it Cubbie style (another name for rape IMO) and can put out good, quality playoff type teams after short down periods by capitalizing on their scounting ability, mainly with players in other organizations. By making that list you've pretty much admitted they've done that but yet here we all are with our hate and anger and fire breath, and I don't think that's called for. This is pretty spot on. I think the team is underperforming quite a bit right now. The pitching looks good, now and in the future. We should give Hahn more time to make the tough calls with our young position players.

He's the worst thing I've ever watched. I've never respected his style of baseball. You gotta be dangerous, and to be dangerous, you have to be able to constantly adjust based on situation. Poor guy

QUOTE (flavum @ Apr 18, 2013 -> 09:28 PM) Yes 1-33, 11 K's, 2 BB He even managed to play crappy defense at 1B too. Wow can he please do that lower in the order? How long until 5th becomes 6th? I'm saying 2 weeks

But does he HAVE to be in the heart of the order because of his contract? Yes we are stuck with him but why does he have to bat between Rios and PK? I'm not knee-jerkin 15 games in. This is based on 1000 AB of no contact and my opinion that 1000 more are coming. Can't he bat 8th before Flowers?