Jerksticks

QUOTE (The Ginger Kid @ Jul 25, 2013 -> 04:02 AM) What are these "hot streaks" of which you speak? Which of those streakers deserved to be bundled together to maximize their streakiness? I don't mean to be a Richard, but you kind of made the case FOR Robin. This team has had more than enough pitching to at least be at or above .500. And that would put them well within striking distance of what is a much better team. And the pitching did this without Gavin, but with guys like Axelrod and Santiago really stepping up. So it's easy to see how miserable the offense and defense has to be to keep losing at this rate. It's really impressive. And can everyone stop pretending they're Dr. Frank Jobe and fretting over the pitch counts of young players like Chris Sale. No wonder Don Cooper doesn't post here anymore, it's insulting. I'm not happy with this team, you're not happy with this team and Robin sure as hell isn't happy with it. So let's see if he can turn it around. Remember, it was Robin who was a big proponent of establishing a "White Sox way" when he was Buddy's boy. I believe he's a smart guy who knows this game and hates to lose. Let him get his hands on some younger guys to see what kind of manager he truly is. Solid post

QUOTE (Rowand44 @ Jul 24, 2013 -> 01:07 AM) That ball certainly got out of there quick. It sure escalated quickly.

If there's one thing I absolutely trust about our organization it is the ability to evaluate pitching. Calling the FO dumb for not getting Martinez is ridiculous. Like we know better... GMAFB. After reading about Martinez and looking at his stats for the last 10 minutes I can easily see reasons why he is exciting but also EASILY see reasons why he isn't enough to grab one of the top SS in MLB. Prospect overexcitement is a sickening disease.

QUOTE (hi8is @ Jul 23, 2013 -> 03:22 PM) Has anyone here ever felt the need to defecate but found it impossible... As in, the sun can not break through heavy storm clouds... And just sits near the closed gates... Wanting all the while to reign down in a thunderous plunge? Ladies? Haha, This is solid gold my man! My favorite post ever here. ?? Yes ladies, please form an orderly line to check in and comment from experience on the subject. Everyone will get a turn to speak, no need to fight.

Semien Trout comparisons looking more legit

QUOTE (Jake @ Jul 22, 2013 -> 03:22 PM) It might be the .350 batting average over 1300 MiLB ABs....or it could be the .450 OBP. Maybe, rather, it is the .950 OPS. The 46 doubles in AAA might be it....or maybe the love comes from the 38 SB. Why the love for Adam Eaton? No chance of any of those skills translating to the MLB from AAA ball. No way. Lol preach it. This is the only prospect I want. His BB:K makes me want dance

What if we take all 4 from the tigers? Sin city where u at??

QUOTE (Jake @ Jul 21, 2013 -> 03:04 PM) Brad Goldberg - 1.2 IP, 0 H, 0 BB, 4 K That seems like all he does, in a good way. What are some scouting reports on his pitches? Monster fastball?

QUOTE (hi8is @ Jul 20, 2013 -> 08:16 PM) Here's the general consensus Jerksticks.... seems like your expression is indeed the minority. Now now now hi8is I feel ya but you have to understand that the White Sox had a chance to win every year at the deadline but 2007. There was no rebuilding option. Recognizing the aging core, I think he did a good job of infusing youth and staying competitive. The problem is the big moves didn't work out right but I can't fault KW for making these: Vazquez trade looked awesome. Flowers was absolutely destroying baseballs and AJ had a few more years. Coulda been a masterpiece of a deal. Signing Viciedo. Dude also destroyed baseballs in a changing climate where power was going away. Trading for Swisher. He was supposed to be a nice OBP plus power cornerstone to build around but screwed us. I can't fault him for any of these but if the first two played as advertised we'd be an unstoppable force with a lineup of say dr Aza, Beckham, Tank, Flowers, PK, Dunn, Rios just murdering pitching for the next decade. Oh my, lets not forget TCQ.

QUOTE (ptatc @ Jul 20, 2013 -> 08:47 PM) It's all about run production. How many runs scored and RBIs are produced. It's tough to be good at both OBP and Slugging without the PEDs. Everything else is really just playing with numbers. I think that overall they are comparable but DeAza is not that much better if at all. Plus during De Aza's recent hot streak he's looked really really good. Pods was getting on base at .360-.370 clip most of '05; that's what most of our eyes remember. I'd bet De Aza has been around there as of late and it's fun to watch.

^^ I like all of this. Plus SOUL is tough to hit in.

QUOTE (maxjusttyped @ Jul 20, 2013 -> 08:08 PM) De Aza has been a better "lead-off hitter" each of the past 2 years than Podsednik was in '05. I know we all love to glorify players from the '05 team, and Podsednik certainly had his role, but his offense isn't the reason that team won the World Series. Pods in '05: .290/.351/.349 88 wRC+ De Aza this year: .270/.328/.437 105 wRC+ I get your point about overall production, but Pods rocked a .360 OBP, stole bases and scored runs. That passes the eye test a whole lot better than 320ish OBP. Pods had a way better team behind him. I'd love to see how the following lineup would do: Eaton CF De Aza LF Power Mashing Run Producing RH hitter (should be tank but he's an asshole)

Whoever said TJP in the game thread needs praise from everybody. ??

QUOTE (Jake @ Jul 20, 2013 -> 06:18 PM) I think we agree that it has been far from encouraging. I just don't know if panic is the right thing yet. If he goes back to 25% K rate for the rest of the season, his season numbers won't look insane. For some reference, Trayce Thompson is a guy in our own system whose strikeouts have gone down every single year, from insanely high to okay. 36%+ as a 18-19 year old down to 23% this year. This. Nobody likes the Ks. The front office doesn't like them either. It's no secret that a high K rate is bad. But panic? Just seems unfounded at this point. Let's give him a chance to get better.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jul 20, 2013 -> 05:45 PM) Here's his velocity chart. Doesn't look like there's any real consistent trend other than him getting tired at the end of 2012 which we all saw. He might well be getting stronger as this year goes on. Man nice find with that velocity chart. Looks like a bit of a negative slope if anything. Do you attribute that to decline or the old "learning how to pitch rather than throw" Bobby Jenks excuse. Something about relievers and their fastballs wear down fast IMO, not all of them but some. I wonder if there are any studies into that or if it's just Jerksticks science talkin.

I thought I read somewhere or somebody posted that the Sox' minor league philosophy with hitters is to let them do what they do until it's proven that it doesn't work. Then the teaching comes in. Maybe Hawkins, being so young, is pretty bull-headed and needs this extended failure to finally open up to believing in the coaching and the necessity of change. Break you down to build you back up. This could all be bulls*** but it's every bit as reasonable as all the other bulls*** armchair knowitallism.

QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Jul 20, 2013 -> 01:46 PM) Marty if this happens it will be a really fun two weeks. I am completely on board with trading Addison Reed. I like Reed a lot, but if they can get a great return for him they have to do it. If the White Sox trust their scouting then they may think that they can use Daniel Webb or Petricka as the closer at some point. I am always a fan of selling high on young closers. Yea. I think we have to trade Addison. Wasn't he throwing 97 when he first came up? Either way, bailey just went down, now's the time to cash in before he is exposed.

Wow nice info man. This seems like spot-on thinking. I like that he addressed all the people taking the simple solution instead of the thinking man's solution.

Great now we HAVE to trade him? Has anyone volunteered to carry the small piece of decaying leverage over to the toilet yet?

QUOTE (Marty34 @ Jul 20, 2013 -> 11:30 AM) I think De Aza will fetch something good in return probably better than Rios. As far as Reed goes, I don't care about controllable years for a reliever, but that is what probably will add to his value. If they can get a better return for Reed than Crain they should do it. I think you're on to something...trading pieces that aren't obvious. And especially if Hahn is targeting a young cornerstone, #3 hitter. With our pitching we are 2-3 dominant bats from being a force. We could smash Detroit with 2 good bats.

Would you accept Glasnow and Kingham for Rios? Forget the 2 weird shortstops for a minute.

QUOTE (hi8is @ Jul 19, 2013 -> 06:24 PM) Good - contenders aren't going to all have their needs met, our injuries will hopefully mend, and prices should be driven upwards as supply limitations continue to unfold. This is one two week period that will really show us a difference between Kenny and Rick. With Williams ultra aggressive style, he didn't have many opportunities to display leverage tactics. Hanh on the other hand is known to have high negotiation skills. Bring it... Well we always had a legitimate shot at the playoffs under Williams except for what, 1 year? And he retooled nicely and stocked the farm. What is the evidence that Hahn is a great negotiator; Keppinger on 3 years?

QUOTE (Knuckles @ Jul 19, 2013 -> 09:56 PM) Wasn't he knows as 'stealth' 'under the radar' GM? He was beautiful.

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Jul 19, 2013 -> 06:45 PM) Do you think the Sox prefer high pitch count, innefficient games from their starters? Your entire premise is based on your grudge against the coaching staff Hold me back Kyle; don't make me have to set another one straight

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Jul 19, 2013 -> 06:06 PM) There is 12 days left, people are probably trying to drive up costs Yea and the GMs of fringe teams maybe want to hold another week to better gauge their chances. Any big in-division series this week?