DirtySox

QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Oct 3, 2011 -> 08:03 PM) Wait a minute? Sale's FB is going to drop 4 MPH as a starter? I smell another failed White Sox 1st round pick if that happens. I don't know about 4 MPH, but a drop in velocity is very likely. Happens almost all the time when a pitcher has to sustain himself for a starter's workload. Conversely, many starters gain velocity when converted to relieving. Addison Reed for instance.

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Oct 3, 2011 -> 06:00 PM) Thats what they are doing. Teams dont need to "rebuild" especially when they actually have some decent already long term signed and (expensive)talent. They are dumping: Quentin Thornton Danks Floyd Pierre Castro Omar You are going to get young talent in return for Thornton, Danks, Floyd and Quentin, and you are injecting players from your system into starting roles. I'm okay with this. Somewhat like the Tigers did after the 09 season when trading Granderson and Edwin Jackson. Just at a larger scale and hopefully with a better return. I just hope whatever new organizational culture/philosophy that has been mentioned will include more of an investment in the minors, scouting, and the draft. In the long run it would ideally prevent situations like the one we are in now.

QUOTE (bucket-of-suck @ Oct 3, 2011 -> 05:36 PM) How is Phil "right"? The season doesn't start for 7 months....The "kids" are prospects he gets back for Danks, Floyd...etc. I hope Kenny isn't focusing only on acquiring near major league ready talent. I don't want him limiting himself. The system needs talent period, at all levels.

keithlaw keithlaw Just saw him play on Friday. He's still a ways off. RT @mukite2: @keithlaw How about jared Mitchell? 5 minutes ago Favorite Retweet Reply

Actually the games begin tomorrow.

QUOTE (Marty34 @ Oct 3, 2011 -> 02:22 PM) Phil Rogers What kids? RT pgammo Ken Williams says "we're going to let the kids play," will know what they have in mid-season, young culture coming 1 minute ago Phil is right for once. Absolutely. I assume the kids will be Dayan, Flowers, Sale, Stewart, Reed, Escobar, and a pen arm or two.

QUOTE (DirtySox @ Oct 3, 2011 -> 02:12 PM) pgammo Peter Gammons Ken Williams says "we're going to let the kids play," will know what they have in mid-season, young culture coming 1 minute ago Favorite Retweet Reply ChiTribRogers Phil Rogers What kids? RT @pgammo Ken Williams says "we're going to let the kids play," will know what they have in mid-season, young culture coming 2 minutes ago Favorite Retweet Reply jimcallisBA Jim Callis Would help if system wasn't worst in game. @pgammo: Ken Williams: "we're going to let the kids play" . . . young culture coming #WhiteSox 2 minutes ago Favorite Retweet Reply keithlaw keithlaw Great. Now they need kids worth playing. RT @pgammo: Ken Williams says "we're going to let the kids play," will know what they have in... 49 seconds ago Favorite Retweet Reply

pgammo Peter Gammons Ken Williams says "we're going to let the kids play," will know what they have in mid-season, young culture coming 1 minute ago Favorite Retweet Reply

AFL games start today I believe.

QUOTE (chw42 @ Oct 1, 2011 -> 07:20 PM) There's guys who are type A that are worth far less in value. I think we should offer Buehrle arb. Indeed. He will probably be the only Elias ranked free agent that the Sox offer arbitration too. I want them to offer Frasor, but I can't see it happening.

Kay.

Shields is getting squeezed terribly.

I wish I could grow a Dave Martinez beard.

Holland's mustache is awful.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Oct 1, 2011 -> 03:54 PM) The issue is that yeah, Sale should have more than that in him and he's already made the big leagues, so he's gotten the first step or two accomplished. Starting from that point, only winding up with a reliever would be a disappointment. Starting from the draft itself, winding up with a dominating reliever is a solid result. Well put. I only have issue if he isn't given the opportunity to maximize his value as a starting pitcher.

Steve Stone on CTL noted that Francona isn't likely to be hired by the Sox.

Moore is just chewing up the Rangers.

Tampa/Milwaukee World Series. Gimme.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Sep 30, 2011 -> 05:51 PM) "We met this morning to look back on the 2011 season and to consider the future of the Boston Red Sox, including my involvement with the club," Francona said in a statement released by the club. "I passed along my frustrations at my inability to effectively reach the players. After many conversations and much consideration, I ultimately felt that, out of respect to this team, it was time for me to move on." He admits he can't reach the players. The Sox have a couple of very pricey veterans who need to be "reached". You can cross Francona off the list. If the Sox are interested in changing the organizational culture, Francona doesn't sound like the right fit.

QUOTE (bucket-of-suck @ Sep 30, 2011 -> 04:25 PM) The Sox are gonna be as aggressive as hell in the next few weeks building a new culture within the team ASAP. This includes Manager and staff and then player moves when possible. Will this new culture involve spending some money on the god-damn draft?

Nice deal. Should be a steal for the Sox.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Sep 30, 2011 -> 12:35 PM) If that is the case then you want the Sox to go as cheap as possible as the odds are good this manager will be gone by the time they win again anyway. Indeed. I just don't see a good fit right now. Maybe it's just me, but I think almost everything will have to go right for the Sox to be in contention next season.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Sep 30, 2011 -> 12:13 PM) I see the Sox as being much closer than the Cubs, because all we need is guys to play like they have done in the recent past to have a big resurgence. I don't know if I am a big Francona fan or not. With the impending payroll paring and potential rebuild, I'm not even close to optimistic. I'm not counting on Rios or Dunn returning to form either.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Sep 30, 2011 -> 11:17 AM) You don't hire Francona unless you have a team that can win in the next year or two, which the Cubs clearly do not. I agree with this, which is why I'm not sure why so many White Sox fans are clamoring for him to be signed. I don't see the right fit unless Jerry is going "All In" again.

Anyone but the Yankees or Phillies.