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QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Jan 30, 2012 -> 01:54 PM) And hating on Cleveland. I don't know if Dwight is a better help defender. Dwight is by far the better man, post, and anchor defensively, but I might give help D to Noah.

QUOTE (Soxbadger @ Jan 30, 2012 -> 01:52 PM) Howard would change the entire complexion of the Heat match up. The Heat have no one who can match Howard. Lebron couldnt guard Rose because theyd need Lebron helping on Howard in the paint. Malone/Stockton is slightly different, Malone was a beast, but he wasnt Howard. Its more like if you had Shaq/Kobe, Shaq/Wade, you know dominant Center and dominant Guard combos. In no world is Howard > Malone. Karl Malone is not only a world better offensively, he was still very good on D and could rebound. And the centers Malone had to go up against are worlds better than Dwight.

QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Jan 30, 2012 -> 01:49 PM) Joel Anthony and Eddy Curry. I repeat. Joel Anthony and Eddy Curry. Dwight would go for 30/15 easily. Noah rotates on to LeBron and Wade really, really well.

Also, Dwight rags on his team and goofs around. He could actually be a clubhouse cancer. LeBron and Melo never did that s***. Basically, I'm saying I want to get the talent, but I'm not going to bid against myself considering all things.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jan 30, 2012 -> 01:43 PM) Does Noah's salary count completely under the new CBA or is it still 1/2 of his total salary like it was under the last CBA? The Wikipedia entry was unclear. As far as I know after he signed it it was a Poison Pill Contract, so not worth it's value. Now, I'm not sure. But fine then, $6M from Noah, $5M from Korver, $3M from Brewer. That's within 150% of Dwight's $18M.

QUOTE (Soxbadger @ Jan 30, 2012 -> 01:42 PM) Howard and Rose are under 26 and top 3 at their position. Its a little different than Melo, Amare and Chandler. Fine then. Stockton/Malone. Top 3 at their positions all time, Jordan or not they only made 2 Finals.

QUOTE (Soxbadger @ Jan 30, 2012 -> 01:41 PM) Its not about values its going to be matching contracts. So you may have to trade Deng just to make it work, obviously you hope they take Boooooooozer but youd have to hope the Magic GM had a mild stroke to accept that. Noah + Kover get's it done after March 1st.

But again, I just wanna point out there is no reason for to bid against ourselves when the Magic have no leverage. The Knicks did that and are now terrible. I guarantee someone would have said "Melo, Amare, and Chandler is a fifty win team." And no, that's not a shot at J4L, but the general masses who though that.

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Jan 30, 2012 -> 01:23 PM) have you looked at Dwights rebounding numbers? Ever? Noah and Dengs rebounds are pretty much mitigated Dwight isn't pulling down more than 15 rebounds. Throw in the fact that he's never had rebounders like Boozer and Taj with him, they'll take a hit. Noah, now that he seems to be back to high-energy Noah, can pull down 12. Deng can pull down 8, more likely 6. At best it would be a lateral move in rebounds. Deng spaces the floor like Brewer can't and Noah can hit FTs. Dwight isn't improving our offense with highlight dunks if we lose Deng (obviously if it's just Noah, he does). So if we include Deng/Noah then at best our defense goes from damn good to slightly more damn good and our offense is about the same or worse since Boozer isn't a stretch four like Dwight is used to playing with. Then we mortgage the future by throwing out Mirotic and the Bobcats pick? Then let's consider the Magic's best leverage is MarShon Brooks and Brook Lopez. I'm sorry, but Noah alone > those two.

Reasons why if it's more than Noah + firsts, it's bad. Noah + Deng: We could at best lose around 20 rebounds here, at worst something like 15. Brewer is not as good a rebounder as Deng. Mirotic + Bobcats Pick: Those will be the next guys to step in and help Rose when Boozer and Rip are gone and Deng/Noah have aged.

QUOTE (Soxbadger @ Jan 30, 2012 -> 01:12 PM) Thered really be no need to go conservative, the biggest piece that would be given up is Noah and Howard replaces him. Any other players you can find a replacement for and 3-4 Jimmy Butlers doesnt mean a thing (ie the type of talent thats available in the late 1st round). Yeah, but Noah, Deng, Mirotic, and the Bobcats pick both weakens us now and mortgages the future.

"Mavs are old, Nets are bad, Lakers won't pony up for me, Clippers like Griffin. WHERE ELSE CAN I GO?!"

Paulie will win another World Series on the South Side.

QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ Jan 30, 2012 -> 01:06 AM) Oh. So did I. f***ing optimism.

QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ Jan 29, 2012 -> 08:44 PM) That's the best tweet I've seen in a long time. QUOTE (iamshack @ Jan 29, 2012 -> 09:28 PM) Sounds more like he is trying to pave the way to lesser expectations to me... I read it as "The team" not "teams" and was excited. Now sad.

The Chicago Bulls will win the NBA championship.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jan 29, 2012 -> 06:05 PM) If the TWolves talk bothers people...then conveniently, we have an option, an entirely vacant Chicago Bulls related message board, which would LOVE to have someone, anyone, posting there! If we could link SoxTalk, TalkBulls, and TalkBears, I'd be there more often. Let's just spam it on here from now on. http://www.talkbulls.com/ http://www.talkbulls.com/ http://www.talkbulls.com/ http://www.talkbulls.com/ http://www.talkbulls.com/ http://www.talkbulls.com/ http://www.talkbulls.com/ http://www.talkbulls.com/ http://www.talkbulls.com/ http://www.talkbulls.com/ http://www.talkbulls.com/ http://www.talkbulls.com/ http://www.talkbulls.com/ http://www.talkbulls.com/ http://www.talkbulls.com/ http://www.talkbulls.com/ http://www.talkbulls.com/ http://www.talkbulls.com/ http://www.talkbulls.com/ http://www.talkbulls.com/

QUOTE (Felix @ Jan 29, 2012 -> 05:49 PM) If it makes you feel better, LeBron is also a choker. Feel free to call me out as much as you'd like (and wherever you'd like.. the post in the drunk thread was quite amusing), I find it all very entertaining. Now if you'll excuse me, I'll go back to comparing the Wolves to the 84 Celtics. Felix is the mega-troll .

QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Jan 29, 2012 -> 05:46 PM) lol. Some of you guys need to chillax (yes, I just typed that). If Juan Pierre hits a HR and I say, "Wow, what amazing power that man has," it's not supposed to be taken seriously. Felix was clearly joking. Greatest analogy ever.

QUOTE (MexSoxFan#1 @ Jan 29, 2012 -> 05:34 PM) Quit trolling, and BTW, no one gives a crap about your daily TWolves updates. Ok, Felix is trolling. But today Rose did choke. But Felix, you have your own PG who needs to learn to shoot the ball, so, like, cool off. On the other hand it's Felix's right to post about the TWolves, his team, in the NBA thread. We have TalkBulls for Bulls specific stuff. And quite frankly I'm happy for TWolves fans as things are beginning to look up for them.

I'll take losing by 4 without Deng or Watson.

NO 3S

I hate flopping.

HOT SAUCE!

Just got home. What the hell is up with LeBron's shoulder?