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QUOTE (SoxAce @ Dec 18, 2009 -> 04:59 AM) There's a couple who have said it on this board, and some analyst out there and I'll just echo their statements. We will NEVER get the kind of return that we should for Mark Buehrle. And if Mark Buehrle is ever traded (or left in whatever way)... I'd probably be alot more pissed (or pretty much ever) then when Frank left us. Also throw in that Buehrle negotiated his deal to essentially make him untradeable, since if he's traded he get's $19 million.

QUOTE (rowand's rowdies @ Dec 17, 2009 -> 12:52 AM) come on, it's kenny. we will add another big name bat somehow. and for all the anti-ozzie talk, he should be our manager as long as he wants. i'm not sure anyone we can ever bring in will be that much better and i for one love having his as my manager. let's also not forget that he is a young manager that should be learning and getting better every year. I pretty much agree with this post. Also, whichever admin changed the title of the thread is my new hero.

Man, ESPN hates the Sox. During the coverage they listed the 1-2 Punches in starting rotations for MLB staffs. Mariners: Felix Hernandez, Cliff Lee Red Sox: Josh Beckett, Jon Lester Yankees: CC Sabathia, AJ Burnett Giants: Tim Lincecum, Matt Cain Cardinals: Chris Carpenter, Adam Wainwright Phillies: Roy Halladay, Cole Hamels How is Peavy, Buehrle/Danks/Floyd not on there? It's better than the Yankees (Burnett not bing that great), Phillies (unless Hamels returns to form), the Red Sox (I'd take Peavy over Beckett, and Danks/Floyd at times are just as good as Lester). /southsidebias Also, the Phillies made out like bandits in this trade...just wow. And Wallace on the move again keeps reminding me of how loaded the top of the 2008 draft was: Slayer, Posey, Wallace, Alonso, Smoak...

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Dec 16, 2009 -> 08:06 PM) Second OVERALL pick in the draft. Right behind our old buddy Erstad.

Also, keep in mind the Sox don't get in bidding wars and the last time they almost landed a big FA (Hunter) the Angels swooped in at the last moment.

Trade for Gonzalez. Slide Paulie to DH. Paulie can spell AGon if need be.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Dec 15, 2009 -> 07:26 PM) I think one of the things they'd have to have in place is an idea of Pujols's extension demands, because the one thing that I wouldn't do in that franchise is to sign Holliday to a contract that would prevent me from meeting Albert's extension demands...or a contract that would have me paying big money to Holliday after I've had to trade Albert or let him walk. While trading Pujols would indeed suck, imagine the haul you'd get.

QUOTE (Princess Dye @ Dec 15, 2009 -> 11:19 PM) One thing I disagree with seemingly most the board... I for one believe Andruw was signed to have a serious role here. What? No Nick Swisher blow up dolls?

QUOTE (SoxAce @ Dec 15, 2009 -> 09:53 PM) No.. stop.. Your making too much sense on this board Chris. Every one knows common sense is a super power. Chris Rongey=superhero? Regardless, I'll beat the dead horse and hope for A-Gon. Only way I could see us out-bidding the Red Sox is due to Hoyer's knowledge of their system, and he'd demand top level prospects as previously stated.

I'm late to thread, so I'm just gonna say I like the move, since we're getting a Pods at almost half the cost, younger, less injury prone, slightly better D, better on base paths, and generally a better average. Also, the top levels of our system are unscathed so (to be a dead horse) Gonzalez isn't completely out of the question, and that would give us a good offense to go with the pitching.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Dec 15, 2009 -> 12:43 AM) I'm going to hold you to that... Party at Ranger's place! I'll bring the cake (shaped like a Sox logo )

QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Dec 14, 2009 -> 11:51 PM) They're not going to pay Halladay and Lee. Exactly, the Phils couldn't afford both pitchers, or they'd keep Lee.

Cowley may be to blame for Carrasco's departure. http://espn.go.com/chicago/columns/blog/_/...432/name/levine The Putz leak drove the price up by $500,000, and DJ and the team were reportedly only a couple hundred thousand apart.

QUOTE (chisox2334 @ Dec 14, 2009 -> 03:13 PM) # KW is lurking out there, about to pounce. Shhhhhh ... Listen closely, hear it? Logic tells me that Kenny is behind Cowley with a big dagger, and about to pounce.

That was exactly how I would have had my top 6, and I might have had Crede in over Maggs/Contreras/Rowand. Slayer needs to be an honorable mention, since he's gonna be #1 next decade.

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Dec 12, 2009 -> 03:54 AM) Except that Betancourt sucks, Ramirez is good, and both Contreras and Hernandez won a World Series with the Sox. So there. And Dayan is waiting in the wings.

Lee and Hernandez gives the Mariners like, the hands down best 1-2 punch in the playoffs. I'd still like to think the Sox have the best 1-2-3-4 punch though...

QUOTE (b-Rye @ Dec 13, 2009 -> 08:32 PM) The recent White Sox all free agent team: (This team would be frustrating to watch, too bad it includes some of my favorite players) C- Ramon Castro 1B- Darrin Erstad 2B- Juan Uribe 3B- Joe Crede SS- Orlando Cabrera LF- Scotty Pod CF- Brian Anderson RF- Jermaine Dye DH- Jim Thome Bench- Tadahito Iguchi Rob Mackowiak Jeremy Reed Frank Thomas SP Jon Garland SP Bartolo Colon SP Jose Contreras SP DJ Carrasco SP Toma Ohka RP Lance Broadway RP Neal Cotts RP Scott Schoenweis RP Octavio Dotel SP Mike Macdougal The lineup, while nothing to be excited about isn't as bad as you'd expect from all FA's. The rotation has 1 ok starter, and the bullpen has 1 1/2 good arms.

QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Dec 13, 2009 -> 05:26 AM) KW has made the most trades involving prospects by a pretty good margin since he's been GM. And not a single one of them has become an even above average major leaguer. You're right about the Yankees (although guys like Cano, Chamberlain and Hughes have come through their system). But the Braves have been a prospect factory for over two decades. Just off the top of my head guys like Adam Wainwright, Neftali Feliz, Joey Devine and Elvis Andrus were drafted/signed then traded. That's top flight major league talent. Not to mention guys like Tommie Hanson and Jason Heyward. If I'm a GM and I'm lookin' to trade for prospects, one of the teams I'd target would be the Braves. Not the White Sox. But props to Kenny. He obviously knows when to get rid of these guys. You would just think after a while GM's would catch on. You're not getting what I'm saying. I know top prospects flop in every organization. My point is that it's mind-boggling with our recent history of pathetic drafts, combined with the fact that out of the dozens of prospects KW has traded over the years that not a single one of them has amounted to anything, that GM's are still willing to deal with him. If I'm a GM, I don't even look Kenny's way. I think Beckham may have re-established faith in our system. Perhaps that will make teams trade with us again.

I dislike this, though it probably means Hudson will be the long man out of the pen.

QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Dec 12, 2009 -> 02:54 PM) Love to have him back. Can't afford him. And like Kal said, he's gonna want a starting spot, not a backup. Though if he was willing to be a backup and we had the money, I'd sign him in a heartbeat.

QUOTE (Kalapse @ Dec 12, 2009 -> 03:02 PM) Yes, we're going to non-tender DJ Carrasco because we're currently $45M-$55M under budget. DJ is obviously asking for $40M, since he was after all, team MVP.

Gotta love Tim Dierkes, he was just on the Score claiming the Sox will have a $120-$130 Million dollar payroll, and said that they could possibly go for Adrian Gonzalez, referencing (not by name) the SoxNet rumor that he so quickly shot down as unreliable.

QUOTE (SoxAce @ Dec 11, 2009 -> 10:05 PM) Little blurb about our 2nd lefty situation and Gonzo's idea. I wouldn't mind a resurgent Cotts... But really, this DJ situation makes no sense to me, especially considering what DA said, they're only a couple hundred thousand apart...

QUOTE (greg775 @ Dec 11, 2009 -> 04:24 PM) Do the Joe bashers hate Joe for that youtube he did with AJ or something? Does he get all the hot chicks at the clubs you frequent? Mr. Cowley. If you read this board, I feel you are a great White Sox reporter. Good job as it is obvious you work your ass off covering the White Sox in and out of season. This Bud is for you. You know Cowley doesn't read these boards, because all we are is a bunch of trekkie know-nothings.