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QUOTE (fathom @ Nov 15, 2016 -> 07:55 PM) Sox only deal with Yankees if Sanchez is involved in my opinion, and that's not happening It seems like the trend is organizations are reluctant to trade valuable position players when it involves aces. They prefer to over pay for pitching in the free agent market.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Nov 15, 2016 -> 03:58 PM) They are capable of making excellent trades. Eaton for Santiago was a steal.Everyone is going to miss. The good ones just don't do it as often. They can miss on the short term guys. But if they trade Sale, Q, or Eaton, that has to be looked back on 3 or 4 years from now fondly. I'll fall off the bandwagon and be left behind. I believe you still build around pieces like that if they are cost controlled.

QUOTE (SouthSideSale @ Nov 15, 2016 -> 03:06 PM) Also factoring in the White Sox aren't trading Sale for 18 year olds. They're targeting near ready players. Now I know there's no guarantee they hit but I'm confident in Hahn's ability to make the right deals. He's shown that while being our GM. Like getting that James Shields guy. Adam LaRoche.......

QUOTE (striker @ Nov 15, 2016 -> 09:49 AM) White Sox lack depth. When you are rebuilding and you can turn one player into more players you do it (as long as it's the right deal). Eaton and Robertson to the Cardinals for Kelly, Bader, Weaver and ~3 others. Unfortunately their lack of depth is in scouting and development.

QUOTE (Wanne @ Nov 3, 2016 -> 09:18 PM) yeah...the fact that Chicago as well as the rest of the country just witnessed what Theo accomplished...what he said he'd do is what stings Sox fans. He completely tore down a team and had a model/vision...pretty much what most around here have been clamoring for...for how many years now? I'm hoping yesterday was a huge kick in the sac to JR and the entire front office. Doubt it...but hoping. This is where it can be misleading. There wasn't anything really to tear down. There wasn't a Sale or Q tier player. This is where Sox fans are deluded. If you look at recent Sox drafting and development, it's more of a false hope trading two ace type pitchers are going to turn you into the Cubs. They have a competent front office and organizations like the Twins tried to recruit front office people from the Cubs. The rebuild needs to happen off the field. I'm sure they will hire Tyler Flowers and Gordon Beckham to be an important part of the organization.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Nov 3, 2016 -> 01:36 PM) He should be to some extent. I keep expecting him to walk away for another job at some point. That would require another organization being interested.

It made the front page of Yahoo yesterday. The Sox get some national attention. https://www.yahoo.com/sports/m/86267aa7-f0a...-the-white.html

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Nov 2, 2016 -> 11:54 PM) Same here, I'd never switch my allegiances, but if this front office and ownership group continues f*** up on a regular basis, I'm simply going to lose interest in a sport I love dearly. These guys really make it hard to be a White Sox fan right now and they have no one to blame but themselves. It's going to be that way for some time. They kept the same non productive scouts, minor league director, coaches, everything that is not productive. They can't scout at all. I may go into Sox fan exile. There are other teams so there is no reason to lose interest in a sport you love dearly. I do admire what Ricketts has done. This is such a dream come true for him. I wish some other organization was interested in Kenny Williams.

Wait till next year will have a new meaning for them.

At least baseball junkies are not disappointed.

QUOTE (GreenSox @ Nov 2, 2016 -> 07:51 PM) Dumping 3 young pitchers when bad pitchers like Shields and Petricka are on the staff is the kind of move that put the Sox in this mess. My comment is that it makes no sense to trade all of those young players for 2 years of Pollock. Build. Develop. Appropriately scout and evaluate. Use analytics (With all of those gaudy degrees, surely Hahn knows what those are). Take advantage of opportunities. Make clever deals. You can't force it for one player people drool over because he was good 2 years ago. Many teams can add 3 veterans and, on paper it looks like they could contend. it doesn't work. Teams need youth and depth, particularly in pitching. The Sox have none, although the really young pitching is looking good. Stockpile it, don't trade it. It worries me that the Sox are sending up young pitchers too soon.

A lesson here for you kids. Roids are forgiven, gambling NOT!

QUOTE (Footlongcomiskeydog @ Nov 2, 2016 -> 09:03 PM) The Tribe won't even get another baserunner in this game. Hopefully this collapse gets into their heads and the Sox can kick their ass next year. Only if CLE goes to the NL. I'm glad they made it. To me Cleveland, Ohio, and severe depression are synonyms.

QUOTE (Footlongcomiskeydog @ Nov 2, 2016 -> 08:59 PM) I'm not saying they are gonna necessarily go back to back, but they are lights years better than any of the Giants teams that won every other year 3X. It all boils down to who is hot at the right time. Did you think Cleveland would be in the WS? Odd that for 3 years an AL Central team made it there. Have you forgot the Sept. cool down by the 2005 Sox? They lost only one post season game. One of the most dominant WS teams in history. We assumed it would happen in 2006 gaining Thome.

QUOTE (Soxbadger @ Nov 2, 2016 -> 08:41 PM) Who cares what other people do. If the Cubs win, oh well. It was kind of funny that they hadnt won, but it would have been hard to imagine it never happening. My dad was a Cubs fan when he was a kid, he became a Sox fan because he used to get Sox tickets and I was one. I was watching the game with him for a while tonight and he left while the Cubs were up. I asked him why he wasnt at all excited about the Cubs winning because when he was a kid he was a big Cubs fan. He replied he was a Sox fan now. I was able to see a Sox win a World Series. The Cubs losing was just kind of a hilarious thing. I was a Cub fan as a kid because they played day baseball and WGN was the TV station for kids because they had Ray Rayner and Bozo, and Creature Feature. My favorite Cub player was Joe Pepitone because we were both left handed. Then one year the Cubs played a basketball charity game across the street fro my house. I got autographs from Santo, Monday, the R brothers and Billy Williams signed my glove. Back then you thought it was cool to have autographs instead of thinking they might have some value later on. Funny how the mindset has changed.

QUOTE (Footlongcomiskeydog @ Nov 2, 2016 -> 08:33 PM) This Cubs team is scary good. They remind me a lot of the 2010 and 13 Blackhawks. An elite core surrounded by ridiculous depth. There are gonna be multiple championships on the North Side of Chicago over the next few years unfortunately. In MLB it's been a long time for any team to win back to back WS. Weren't the Marlins last to do that?

QUOTE (whitesoxjr27 @ Nov 2, 2016 -> 08:27 PM) Thanks guys for keeping me sane during all this. Us Sox fans need to stick together if the cubs win tonight. This really isn't rational. I know some Cardinal fans that would be far more aggravated.

QUOTE (Chet Kincaid @ Nov 2, 2016 -> 03:08 PM) 13th overall pick. I hate that this team hasn't been able to evaluate talent. Somehow trading Sale or Q is gonna change that.

There is some deception in thinking the Cubs traded impact players. They didn't trade anyone near the caliber of a Sale or Q.

QUOTE (BigHurt3515 @ Oct 31, 2016 -> 10:31 PM) They were playing to win. 3B sucked in 2015 and we traded fringe players for an all-star who hits 30+ bombs and plays pretty good defense. Were you against the trade from the beginning? Tons of people loved this trade and thought it improved our team quite a bit since we needed power. Plus the 1st time facing AL pitching. Sox had no luck filling 3B.

QUOTE (fathom @ Nov 1, 2016 -> 07:10 PM) Yeah winning titles really made the Blackhawks less popular.....not It's harder to do in MLB. There hasn't been back to back WS victories in baseball for quite some time.

I'm still looking for evidence this organization has the ability to rebuild. You can only draft so many pitchers. So they drafted a catcher in the 1st round where they may move to another position?

I was hoping my NFL team would provide some relief but it feels like a lateral transition with poor coaching, under achieving, bad GM moves. It depends on what happens in the off season I just may walk away from the bandwagon and only return if they are winning.

QUOTE (Lip Man 1 @ Oct 20, 2016 -> 09:15 PM) If a new park is ever built it will be by new ownership and just as the Mayor and city fought to build the new park at a location they chose in the late 80's (Mayor Washington said the ONLY location the city would support and that he would tell his people on the Stadium Authority Board to vote for was across the street from the original park) you can expect the city to place location demands once again. Mark Owners usually don't build stadiums. They fleece governments for that which are then put on the tax payers.

QUOTE (GreatScott82 @ Oct 21, 2016 -> 06:49 PM) Plus it's pretty hard to trust Hahn/KW to do anything right in regards to player acquisitions. That's why I don't get some of the fans' giddiness to trade Sale or Q. The problems are in scouting and development.