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QUOTE (Jenks Heat @ Sep 10, 2010 -> 11:32 AM) I am not an AJ fan but who replaces him? Also Quentin has zero value as a trade option now so it is best to hang on to him. I think if AJ goes Danks is part of a deal for a catcher. I think they keep him only because of handling pitchers.

QUOTE (ChiSox_Sonix @ Sep 9, 2010 -> 10:51 AM) Seriously. As frustrating as it may be, if we go 8-2 on a 10 game road trip that takes us through Detroit and Boston and still manage to lose ground in the division, you just have to tip your cap. Hard to get too angry at the Sox for playing .800 ball on the road. That said, I agree we need this game and then to make up one game next series. If we can go into the Twins series 4 back, then anything is possible. Although a sweep would be quite a feat, it is not out of question and then to be 1 game back with 2 weeks to go anything can happen. I thought this team would only win about 75 games this year. I haven't gotten too upset over this season since they exceeded my expectations. It's been awhile since the Sox have put together nice winning streaks. They dug too deep of a hole to crawl out of when the season started.

QUOTE (rowand's rowdies @ Sep 7, 2010 -> 11:22 AM) i think the twins problem is a 2 headed monster. 1) managing - gardenhire keeps that team believing in itself, makes the right moves, and doesn't overdo matchups. he also values hustle players, and hustle helps you make the other team make mistakes, leading to lucky wins. 2) farm system - our examples have been sale and beckham, look how much they helped our teams when they joined. young players energize the team and when they play well, they can really help. the twins consistently bring up quality prospects and fill them in spots they need. they just out manage and out depth our sox, but sometimes talent trumps and we win the division and/or world series. they haven't even gotten to a world series, so ill take our team. I wonder if Twin fans think Gardenhire is as immortal as the hate Ozzie crowd thinks he's immortal. One could make the case the Twins are over achievers. They get to play a few more games in Oct., that's about it. The farm system is always an interesting topic. Maybe they are better at scouting. Maybe they draft guys who already have a good grasp on how to play the game. They are better at winning baseball games than the Sox. The Sox have a habit of losing to teams they should beat.

QUOTE (joeynach @ Sep 6, 2010 -> 09:47 PM) No one was talking about ozzieball and the whitesox run production, but thanks for your meaningless side comments. Did you forget the whitesox are 2nd in the AL in batting with RISP at .281. Looks like you did. Some members are very predictable.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Sep 9, 2010 -> 01:53 AM) Teahen just doesn't have a position. He simply sucks at third. He's bad in right. He's not even good at second. Bad bad acquisition. Again, he'd be OK to play once a week assuming he doesn't cost us that game ever week with his glove. I just think we can't afford to keep him around, especially if Omar retires and we start him at third. Him playing everyday will show up regularly in the won/loss column if he's in the field somewhere. It's the second coming of Josh Fields.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Sep 8, 2010 -> 10:42 PM) I would think we would just simply dump Teahen or trade him to the Pirates and pay all but $500,000 of his salary. If not dump Teahen ... can the White Sox justify keeping him and making him a once a week guy? It's obvious no matter where you put him, he is not a good enough defensive player to be on the roster of a so called contender. Who cares about the money? Just dump him or demote him to a Sunday lineup guy. I am assuming the answer to my question is we have to start Teahen because of his salary, just as we had to keep pitching Linebrink cause of his guaranteed salary. I'm saying eating Teahen's salary should be a no brainer. It's another example where Kenny exhibits defense is the least of priorities when it comes to players. I never understood this acquisition at all. I guess he was one of those guys who use to hurt the Sox. Well he's still doing it. Note to Kenny: No more players from losing organizations especially the Royals.

QUOTE (Jenksy Cat @ Sep 5, 2010 -> 04:24 PM) It pains me to think of all the extra wins we would have had if another manager was here to not make the team hit .200 from April-June 10th, or make the starting pitchers not suck ass for 2 months, or make the bullpen not collapse. DAMN YOU TO HELL OZZZZIEIEIEE!!!!! Its comical how upset you guys are getting over the most insignificant coach of the 3 big sports. Save your outrage for the disgrace that is the Bears coaching and front office that legitimately destroys that team. Oh no, there goes someone throwing logic around here.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Sep 6, 2010 -> 11:41 PM) Yeah but I don't go for one or two "turning points" We sucked in April and May. We couldn't beat KC, Cleveland or Detroit. The O's kicked our ass. We had other late inning implosions. But I know (not talking about you) after the season Jenks and Guillen/Kotsay/Thome will take the full blame for our placing second. Never mind all those games Jenks did save. That's too sane for some to believe.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Sep 6, 2010 -> 04:31 PM) What'da know. Another thread turning into Kotsay/Thome on a day we won our seventh game in a row. Wow. I will summarize the discussion. Kotsay equal bad. Jones is beloved. Thome is a god. We know. Kudos to Jimmy on a great season. Ozzie equal the devil for not wanting Thome. And yet we win and win and win. Seven in a row. You managed to nail the symptoms of baseball retardedness that has plagued some of the members here. They'll even post stats to support their baseball retardedness.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Sep 5, 2010 -> 01:47 AM) This thread is about the bullpen! A couple cool people mentioned Jenks in the winner's thread. He got abused in the game threads again. What'd he do today. Put on one baserunner? I just can't believe Sox fans refuse to give credit to a guy when he helps the team win (and I never said ALL Sox fans; read the game thread). They only want to give credit to Ozzie and Kotsay for ruining the season.

QUOTE (J.Reedfan8 @ Sep 3, 2010 -> 10:47 PM) I'll remind Peyton Manning he is still being called a playoff choker, who can't get out of the first round then. The media still does that because he doesn't have 3 rings like Brady.

QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Sep 3, 2010 -> 10:45 PM) Huh? So you throw '05 in my face and choose to ignore the fact the Colts won the SB 4 years ago? They still get that label? Sure. 1000% Sure. See 2008-9 post seasons. One and done. They got that label again going into 2010. Read the Indy Star or watch ESPN when the guys who have a man crush on Brady respond.

QUOTE (lostfan @ Sep 3, 2010 -> 10:38 PM) How do you figure? What's better in a vacuum, a player with a .750 OPS or a player with a .820 OPS? You can't quantify the exact number of runs created by having a higher OPS but it's not like it's hard to tell which one you'd rather have, either. Given the choice between giving away a free out with one of the team's better hitters in the middle of a game I'd rather not... given the choice between a player who gets thrown out stealing unnecessarily often and staying on first more (or even better, only being sent to steal when it's advantageous to do so) I'd take not being thrown out. I would agree 100% if that guy on base is Lillibridge.

QUOTE (J.Reedfan8 @ Sep 3, 2010 -> 10:36 PM) Ya... it's not like the Braves or the Colts have won the World Series or the Super Bowl respectively before with those divisional wins or anything.. oh wait.... The Colts still get that label. Just read the Indy Star. Despite that, division crowns are meaningless these days if a World Series is not involved with it.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Sep 3, 2010 -> 10:28 PM) The Twins need to get it over with and just win the WS. If they faceplant again in the playoffs, it'll be the same scenario again next season. You are right. They will roll to the title again with Nathan and Morneau. The Sox will have to do some tinkering again before next season. If Teahen is our starting third baseman, that's enough to assure second place in itself. Their talent falls short when they have to face the AL East in the post season. I tend to think they are more streaky than talented if you were to look at individual numbers.

QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Sep 3, 2010 -> 09:58 PM) Gardenhire leading the Twins to their 6th division title without an MVP candidate and the second best closer of the last half decade. Just a tad more impressive than Mr. "I makes da f***ing lineup." Really? In today's world of modern sports, winning it all goes farther than winning divisions. They have a label for teams that only win divisions. For example:Colts have been labeled the "Atlanta Braves of the NFL". When you only win divisions, you get labeled "the Atlanta Braves". So the Twins are the Atlanta Brave of the AL. If both managers were to switch teams, I doubt you see any noticeable difference.

QUOTE (danman31 @ Sep 1, 2010 -> 02:51 PM) His scouting report said plus fastball, plus change, plus control, average slider that's tough on lefties. The slider seems better and the control seems worse than that, but I think a large part of the control is that he went from college to MLB hitters in a few months. Maybe he's having trouble consistently finding his slot coming out of the bullpen. There are so many factors that could be messing with his control. I think it's reasonable to expect that improves for next season with more work. I wonder what it's like to be in the mind of a kid who had little time in the minors and every time he goes to the mound, one mistake can put a team in a race further behind.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Sep 1, 2010 -> 05:22 PM) I just wanted to give him a shout out since he catches so much s*** when the offense sucks. Don Cooper seems to be the untouchable. His magic seems to have faded away of late. Fans and now Ozzie are starting to put their faith in a kid with hardly any pro ball experience. The way the pen has been in critical moments you would think they were actually trying to throw the games. Maybe they should be investigated for gambling.

Back on track... I see the Chicago media is having a field day ever since the lame press conference. They act as if the Sox are already doomed based on how Manny reacted to the press conference. How many players put on waivers really wants to deal with a press conference?

QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Sep 2, 2010 -> 08:44 AM) What can you attribute that to? Is Gardenhire a better manager and getting more out of his players? His post ASB record is ridiculous by the way. I don't know how he does it. Maybe he doesn't. Sometimes managers get too much credit. It has a lot to do with the guys on the field and the GM. One thing that has improved is the defense especially Alexei. I would tribute that to having Omar out there. Sometimes one guy can make everyone better. Pierre has played a decent outfield as well. One thing with the Twins is often the luck factor sides with them more so with the Sox. I'm glad they are out of that garbage bag stadium. They use to get the oddest hits there.

QUOTE (JohnCangelosi @ Sep 1, 2010 -> 01:14 PM) That will be a good learning experience for Sale. I am not sure what happens to him sometimes with his wildness, however, as sometimes it seems as if he has no clue. But then he finds the slot again and is excellent.... Not exactly the learning experience you want to give a kid who has very little pro ball experience. This kid might be more helpful in 2011 as a closer than a starter.

QUOTE (rafacosta @ Sep 1, 2010 -> 12:57 PM) please...no more Teahen on 3rd base! Oh I don't know about that. It brings back memories when the organization thought Fields could play 3rd base. It goes to show when Kenny acquires a player, defense is the least of priorities.

QUOTE (WinorDie88 @ Sep 1, 2010 -> 12:47 PM) Sale only hitting 94? hmm. Sale is quickly working into the over worked category. Besides the it's hard to blow the ball by the Indians.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Sep 1, 2010 -> 12:39 PM) Carlos Quentin, 810 OPS Andruw Jones, 800 OPS I think we might have passed the Rays the past month for not having the worst DH numbers in the AL. Somehow they managed to win 81 games and are a game behind the Yanks.

I think I've seen a bullpen that's worse than the Sox.