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QUOTE (since56 @ Aug 12, 2010 -> 06:15 AM) What's with all the negativity? The Twins are not all that. Their ballpark is not working out so great for them. Wait untill the weather cools down and and the ball really goes no where in Minnesota. Their pitching is inconsistent ( except Pavano ) and only so so . They fear us as much or more than we fear them. They are a good team but not unbeatable. How is their ball park not working? Are the toilets froze already? They are 6th in attendance. It doesn't matter if the ball is dead. They are winning without the home run. They are only 16th in team home runs. Home runs can be over rated since The Rays and Twins are in the lower half of MLB.

QUOTE (fathom @ Aug 17, 2010 -> 10:57 PM) Well, if the rotation is Peavy, Buehrle, Danks, Jackson, and Floyd, they better win a lot of games 2-1 because that's a ton of money that will be locked up with our rotation with money being needed to fill holes at 1B (if PK leaves), DH, C. Don't worry. Kotsay will fill them all.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Aug 17, 2010 -> 10:53 PM) The current White Sox model of running the organization is broken. It has to be changed, because insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results...what's even more insane is making the plan to DH Jones and Kotsay, 75% of elementary school students could have identified that as a problem, or DeWayne Wise leading off and starting in CF last year. Shhh...that will fuel those who believe the Rowand for Thome trade was the worst ever.

QUOTE (daggins @ Aug 17, 2010 -> 10:00 PM) You're right, it won't be popular, because it's stupid. No need to go any farther. That says it all. The Dr. Phil mentality is great for Little League but not for professional sports. It's odd that when a team plays poorly, fans tend to attack each other. The whole fans behind a team is a crock of s***. The Indianapolis Colts have the best road record since this century. They must bus all of their fans to away games. I'm sure Jackie Robnson at one time rarely had fan support. On the other hand we fans take sports too seriously. It gets even more uncivil in soccer.

QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Aug 12, 2010 -> 06:36 AM) Didn't you see what happened on Tuesday night?? The Twins clinched the division because they have Jim Thome and the Sox don't. The 48 games left in the season don't matter, neither does the fact that the Sox have 4 other starters better than Freddy Garcia. Next year's staff has a chance to be impressive. Despite Freddy's quick spiral down, he got wins in the beginning when the so called studs were duds.

The most annoying thing is the whole "Kotsay Sucks, Ozzie Sucks, Thome's great" posts. Even if they are true so what? If I could turn back the clock it wouldm't be to the dealings of the latest off season. I would go back and bring the Big Hurt in his prime and put him on this team. That would fix a lot of things.

QUOTE (fathom @ Aug 17, 2010 -> 10:40 PM) Well, can we get our players to perform better then? I don't know. These type of performances the Sox put out against the Twins haven't changed even when they had Manuel, Maggs and Frank. I guess the Twins save their best for the Sox and can't match in October. They only option that would work is put the Sox in NL. They don't have to face the Twins and would only have to face the AL East when it counts is in the WS or put the Twins in the NL.

QUOTE (11and1 @ Aug 17, 2010 -> 10:34 PM) Not dissing Kotsay, just pointing out that we dissed Thome by not re-signing a 1st round HOF'er AND a great clubhouse guy who wanted to come back for next to nothing. $1.5 million! And he ends up with the Twins, one of MLB's thriftiest organizations.! That's your first clue. Management then continues to dis him on "The Club". So, he will likely continue to strike out or GIDP against any team other than the Sox, while beating us repeatedly until the karmic debt is paid. Come on, sports fans, you've all seen this happen before. There's no way of knowing Thome would put up those same numbers with the Sox. Some guys play better for other organizations. Swisher isn't the same suck player for the Yankees.

QUOTE (fathom @ Aug 17, 2010 -> 10:28 PM) But a portion of those games have been in really low scoring games (ie: Saturday's game and the extra inning game in Seattle). A better DH could have led to more runs, and thus more insurance for our pitchers. The Sox had that problem last year and they had Thome. This team needs more than Thome, Pujols, Dunn, Mantle and Ruth if the bullpen keeps failing. Isn't this the 4th time the pen couldn't finish?

BTW, what were the options in FA for acquiring another DH? I can't remember anyone that would fit in the Sox budget other than what they have now.

QUOTE (Elgin Slim @ Aug 17, 2010 -> 10:01 PM) OTOH, how does Thornton ever get anyone out, I know he throws 95 mph from the left side, but he only has 1 pitch. Logic would say he would be lit up like a pinball machine. Your logic is flawed. There's a thing in baseball called location. If this isn't working then you need off speed pitches and that will make your fastball appear quicker. Watch a few baseball games and you might learn something. The Sox have a pitcher who doesn't throw hard and he has managed to win in the bigs.

The good thing is the bats are coming back in the late innings. Time for a fire Coop thread.

QUOTE (scenario @ Aug 17, 2010 -> 09:44 PM) When Thome played for us, everyone on the planet knew he was practically an automatic out when a lefty reliever threw him offspeed stuff that tailed away. But now he's playing against us and what do we throw him? Fastballs over the fat part of the plate. ****. We deserve to lose for being stupid. That's why Thornton will not ever make a great closer. He has no other pitches to rely on. It was his turn to suck.

QUOTE (fathom @ Aug 17, 2010 -> 09:35 PM) I sincerely would like to thank Delmon, Thome, and Thornton for making that quick. 3 pitches, and game was over. At least none of us got our hopes up in the bottom of the inning. Will we ever retire a Twins hitter in a save situation? Maybe Danks shouldn't have gave up those runs in the 1st. The pen sucks and it's the worst time for it. Where's the "Coop will fix em"? The Twins have the Sox number. There's no logic at all. Put guys like Pujols, Sabathia and a few more great players, the Twins would still win. Part of it is luck on the Twins side. It just one of those anomalies in the balck hole of professional sports I have come to accept. If the Sox had 80 wins and the Twins 30, they would still beat the Sox. That's just the way it is.

QUOTE (fathom @ Aug 17, 2010 -> 09:35 PM) I sincerely would like to thank Delmon, Thome, and Thornton for making that quick. 3 pitches, and game was over. At least none of us got our hopes up in the bottom of the inning. Will we ever retire a Twins hitter in a save situation? Maybe Danks shouldn't have gave up those runs in the 1st. The pen sucks and it's the worst time for it. Where's the "Coop will fix em"?

QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Aug 17, 2010 -> 09:28 PM) What do you expect when Thornton comes out for his 3rd inning of work? He's done it before and I would take my chances with him over Putz and Pena. It would be risky using Sales. Stink spreads on this team and it eventually got to Thornton.

QUOTE (fathom @ Aug 17, 2010 -> 09:17 PM) My brother brought up an interesting theory. Beckham seems to always have bad ABs if he swings and misses the first pitch. Hopefully that's only for lack of big league experience.

QUOTE (chw42 @ Aug 17, 2010 -> 09:16 PM) No way they get suspended for 5 games. We couldn't that that lucky.

QUOTE (chw42 @ Aug 17, 2010 -> 09:14 PM) If we get enough runs this inning, plunk Young. As long as it it Putz, Pena or Linebrink followed by a 5 game suspension.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Aug 17, 2010 -> 09:11 PM) I'm not looking at any numbers here....but I can tell you that just from memory, when we need a big hit, late in a game, especially in the 9th inning, Paul Konerko is not the player I want coming to the plate. My memory might be completely wrong, but that is what it is. Well there's only 25 guys on the roster and PK does have a good avg. with the bases loaded.

QUOTE (sin city sox fan @ Aug 17, 2010 -> 09:02 PM) I don't see how anyone can rip on Paulie because he failed to come through in one at bat. Without him this year, we are likely out 10 games and the season is long over. Guys like Mantle use to hit into a lot of DPs.

Paulie should have faked a bunt.

QUOTE (docsox24 @ Aug 17, 2010 -> 08:50 PM) nope we are pissed off now and are going to sweep the series I can except that.

I don't like the Sox chances of going into extra innings.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Aug 17, 2010 -> 08:42 PM) I wouldn't call it terrible. Sure, there are $ implications that make it at least questionable. But... In his three starts for Chicago, Jackson has allowed three earned runs in 20 innings of work for a 1.35 ERA. He's also struck out 24 batters. Why should anyone be surprised an AL pitcher of any type would have success in the NL?