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I don’t know how to feel about this.

Eh, yeah probably. Unless I was afraid of his medicals or attitude or something. Which the Mets very well may be, given that his agent is now their GM. And, since they're shopping NS but making DeGrom untouchable, it makes you wonder.

Of course, but if those two elite guys aren't available, as Heyman is suggesting, there is enough quality In their second tier that you could still make a good quantity deal. And with the Mets system as bad as it is, I don’t know, it might be a unique opportunity to infuse a lot of talent.

The Padres have SO much solid prospect depth though. I think there’s a potential for a trade like that to make sense for the Mets that includes like 6 prospects.

The Mariners will absolutely not attach Haniger to a Cano deal. They are not planning on a full scale rebuild. They may attach a relief pitcher, but not a 4 win pre-arb position player.

Look, I think society is too sensitive too, and none of us are saints, but the long-term physical and emotional abuse of your wife/mother of your child is pretty fucking easy to put on the “definitely not okay for anyone to ever do under any circumstances” side. You don’t have to be a perfect person to never cross that line — and stay over it for literal years. There are plenty of examples of destructively over-zealous Social justice. This ain’t one of them.

Frank is my all time favorite, and he absolutely aged better, but to be fair, he would have played five to seven extra awful years too if he had that kind of contract.

Negative. I want to win, but I'm not ousting all-around great guy TA for a chronic wife-beater who is, at best, marginally better.

Which actually kind of sounds right up Boras’ alley. However, the pending free agency of Mike Trout may essentially guarantee this condition.

Then they’d better be ready to guarantee $400-500M.

Bob Nightengale

That's not the problem -- it's the net gain. I would agree that Haniger is better than Moncada right now. But if you believe Moncada will improve, he's probably only a year behind him. That still makes Haniger better but, does it make him $100M albatross better? I think you're losing as much as you're gaining by giving up that coveted financial flexibility. If our young guys bust, it won't matter anyway -- we need to operate as if most of them will turn out useful.

Right. I’m not saying I wouldn’t take him there if that’s what I came down to. I just mean he is significantly more valuable if he adds his five wins to an organizational weak point instead of one where he’s replacing an average, cost-controlled player.

Jumping down your throat? Come on man.

As good as Diaz is, the list of relievers that are dominant for more than a few seasons is depressingly small.

If either of those guys ends up signing for WAY less than everyone is projecting, sure. Which IS possible, but we won’t know until February.

They can add guys on short deals. They need to be trade-able, with some upside, and they need to be small enough financial commitments that they won’t affect future moves. Guys like Donaldson, who again, would have cost more to come here because we would have had to beat the braves’ number by enough to make it worth it, at $25-30M dollars are diverting resources FROM a championship team, not toward it.

Because this exactly the path that put our team in the position to need a rebuild in the first place. Tying up too much payroll into average players so that we could not afford impact players when we needed them to push us over the edge. This is not the time for Melky Cabreras. Even if you refuse to acknowledge that JR’s willingness to spend is limited, one of the key factors to recent, successful rebuilds was the ability to allot playing time to deeply flawed but talented players to the end of finding a couple “diamonds in the rough.” You can’t do that if you spend $15 million so that Mike Moustakas can give you 1.7 WAR at third base

That is not what I said. I was very precise.

For about the thousandth time: No one is opposed to the White Sox spending money on talent. No one is opposed to the White Sox improving their roster. Please let those sentences sink in. Now, what some of us DON’T want is: Spending large amounts of what is a large but limited pool of money on improvements that will not make meaningful progress toward our chances at experiencing a World Series championship. In other words: This does not mean you cannot spend money to add. It does mean that if you’re going to spend money, make sure you’re adding to a potential championship. We do not want large on year players unless we think we can trade them. We do not want multi year mediocrities that have already peaked. There is a time to acquire these depreciating assets. That time is not now

This is insanity. Firstly, haniger is better and more valuable than Diaz. Secondly, you would be willing to give up Moncada or Lopez for the right to pay $100M for 36 year old cano and four years of haniger?

There’s no way that signing Josh Donaldson would provide the team with anything close to $25-30 million dollars in economic return this year. He could sell a couple thousand jerseys and 50,000 extra tickets alone and add five wins and still not approach that. I know you said with other additions, but those would bring the cost up. Even if they added four good free agents and all our current players broke out and we went from worst to first, creating revenue from winning, the additional revenue would be thanks to all those breakouts. Josh Donaldson would never account for $25-30m of it.

I don’t agree with your plan at all, but I’m very happy to have you on the board. Welcome.

Seems like they aren’t now, though

Yeah this is a good point. I tend to believe he can play an average SS for a few years assuming half decent shifting, and I’m all for building the roster around him, but there’s no question that he provides the most value to this roster/organization as a plus defensive third baseman in both the short and long term. If he truly is insisting on being a SS, it’s simply a less exciting fit for the White Sox.