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I see no reason to extend Lynn if it’s going to take 2/$40M, or I would at least wait a few months to do so as Fathom said. I would use Cole Hamels as a recent comp. Hamels got 1/$18M coming off a 2.5 fWAR season at age 36. Lynn was on pace for 4 fWAR last season he would reach FA at 34.5. Assuming he puts another 4 WAR season (and no regression due to age and switching teams). I don’t see him him getting much more than 2/$40M in the open market in a post pandemic environment with a pretty good FA pitching class to boot. I would not be jumping on a 2/$40M extension, but 2/$35M or 3/$50M would be reasonable to me.

I would take a look at Brad Miller as a bargain option. He could be a LHH UTIL/DH and split times with likes of Yermin and Collins at DH for a few months. He only got $2M after a great 2019, I would imagine he would cost around the same this time around.

James has sources for sure. But if James did not break it out of respect to the players, NSC wouldn't have gotten it from him. So it either NSC shares the same source as James (not likely) or that he's getting it from another source who has an in.

There might have been other insiders who knew that Dunning was traded, but they were publicly available on Twitter. So Not Cishek would had to have direct ties to those insiders or a direct source itself to be able to call this before anyone else on Twitter.

We could have at least gotten a puckett of balls... I'll see myself out.

I know what hurts, my finger from scrolling through that post on my phone.

Should have tried to lock up a DH bat before they announce this. But then again, those DH bats were definitely holding out for this news. I expect we will have a lot of momentum on the DH market starting today.

If we end the offseason with TLR, Katz, Lynn, Eaton, Brantley, Q, and Hendriks, that isn't too bad. I'd give it a C. Of course it would have been a full grade higher without TLR.

Wait until we trade Cease and bring back Q.

I'll be more hesitant if it's 2/$40M deal, mainly because I don't see him getting much more than that at his age, unless he improves even more. Also, you're removing flexibility to reassess next offseason and spending on other pitchers or areas of need, and taking on the performance and injury risk with little incentive. I'll definitely extend him at a discount, not when it's at or near full price.

Hahn is typically good at extensions, but for rookies or pre-arb players. Lynn has already made his money so I see less incentive for him to accept an extension. Perhaps he would accept a discounted extension at 2/$30M to hedge against the performance risk due to age or switching to a different organization, but I really don't see a lot of incentive for him otherwise, especially accepting a discounted extension.

Tell me we got more than Lynn or we have an extension in place. This is ugly.

Tony LaRussa's bartender. He probably knows baseball pretty well by now.

My point since the very first post wasn't if they were willing to pay Manny $300M, I knew they weren't. My point was whether they're willing to pay to top level free agent a 9 figure contract, and 9 figures may be all it takes to land Springer. Rumored offer for Manny: 8/$250M. Signed 10/$300M. Rumored offer for Wheeler: 5/$125M. Signed 5/$118M Speculated contract for Springer: 4/$100M - 5/$125M. I don't know how many clearer I have to draw this out that Springer commands a figure that is almost the same as the Wheeler deal and Sox would have been willing to pay and outbid others for (if they value Springer the same as Wheeler). It's completely different than the Manny saga. Had we not been hit with a pandemic, I see Springer as a possibility.

I agree with this Jack.

What else do you want to see?

This is last post I would make on this, because this nonsense is derailing the thread. But at first you said Sox wouldn't pay anyone 9 figure, then it was if they could have Manny at 8/$250M then they would have been happy to. And you haven't answered on why Sox spent $14M and a prospect on his buddies if they just wanted to make a college try at the pursuit. I don't know why any professional organizations would to be honest. Reputations with agents and players actually mean something in the real world. But you can keep carry on with your conspiracy theories to help you cope with your frustration at this organization.

If nothing comes out of this, it's had been fun the last 2-3 pages watching you and Ray backtrack every step of the way. So at first I was naive to think that they offer $250M to Machado, they you thought their best offer was 7/$175M or whatever nonsense Bruce threw out there. Then you said those offers were very real. Pick a lane Jack.

Typical of you to always resort to the worst outcome. But literally every single person on here who isn't a conspiracy theorist or Jack Parkman is telling you the 8/$250M was a legit offer. So was it me being naive or you being Jack Parkman?

Naive to think Sox wanted Machado at $250M? I could have point to the countless dumb shit you have posted on this site as naive in a negative way, but I wouldn't have time for that.

Talk about arguing out of both sides of your mouth here. On one hand, you are suggesting Sox only make offers they know they don't have to pay, on the other, you're saying it's a contract, a 9 figure one, Sox would have love to pay. So which one is it.

Yes, I don't know why some people on this board refuses to believe this. Sox wanted Machado, they tried to low ball him and Padres made a late push to get it done. That was a failed pursuit, and an embarrassment. But it doesn't take away that had Machado accepted at $250M, Sox would have been happy to have him. It wasn't some dog and pony show to show that they're willing to write a check for 9 figures.

Your countless conspiracy theories has put you so far removed from reality of how free agent negotiations work. I will ask again, if they never had any intention of signing Machado, why would they have brought in Alonso or Jay? Just to spend $14M and trade a prospect to put up a facade? That seems to go against JR's penny pinching model, does it?

And my point is, if they offered Manny 9/$250M contract and he signed, then they would have every intention of honoring that contract. The $250M offer they made isn't for show, as some are suggesting here.

I think you're not dumb enough to make that statement. I think you know the time, effort, resource it takes to go through negotiation process with top tier free agent and give a legitimate pitch, and the fact that they brought his two of his buddies to boot. If they just wanted to give a college try and please the fans, there was no need to bring in Alonso/Jay. They made an effort but came up short. I don't what's so hard to understand.