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QUOTE (Swingandalongonetoleft @ Oct 4, 2010 -> 12:57 AM) I think one of the lasting memories of this season for me will be Liriano taking care of Quentin and Konerko with the bases loaded to end the inning. It was his "wtf slider" that resolved his matters IIRC. that was Crain in relieve of Liriano striking out both Konerko and Manny I think. That was brutal. Really made the last White Sox fan jump off the Manny bandwagon afterwards.

QUOTE (joeynach @ Oct 4, 2010 -> 12:49 AM) I was thinking about how bad or how extreme did some of our players really get off their norms when they played the Twins this year. Obviously I cant explain why some of our players, good players, just flat out sucked against the Twins or when we really needed them to do what they do, but this is what I found. #1: Juan Pierre - He didnt really fail us against the Twins, he failed us down the stretch in General. We all know he got off to a poor start in April, but his Sept was almost just as bad. In Sept he hit .223/.279/.268 which well below his 2010 and Career Averages. Why did he go so bad in Sept after such a strong July and August? Was he tired? Was he hurt? Did he just choke when the pressure was on? #2: Bobby Jenks - In 5.2 Innings pitched this year against Minnesota he was 0-1 with a 6.35 ERA, 2.12 WHIP, and a .360 BAA. For his career against Minnesota (including this year) he has a 3.57 ERA, 1.41 ERA, and .266 BAA. Why so pathetic against the Twins? Choke under pressure? Mental? #3: Gavin Flloyd - As good as he was for us for a large part of the season he was downright awful against the Twins. In 4 starts against the Twins this year he lost all 4 games with an 8.06 ERA, 2.10 WHIP, and .370 BAA. Cant beat Twins, they we aren't catching the Twins. #4: Matt Thornton - Similar to Gavin what happened to his abilities and performance against the Twins. Most baseball people will tell you, without the ability to have shut down guys late in games you can basically forget it. Thornton appeared in 7 games against the Twins, went 0-1, and posted a 9.53 ERA, 1.76 ERA, and .261 BAA. #5: JJ Putz - Same thing here with Putz, he just flat out sucked against the Twins. For as good of a season as he had (2.83 ERA), he appeared in 5 games vs the Twins and posted a 6.75 ERA, 2.50 ERA, and .389 BAA. #6: Sergio Santos - If you havent picked up on the theme our shut down bullpen basically blew it when we needed them the most. Santos as impressive as he was in his first year as a reliever couldnt get the Twins out. He posted a 4.50 ERA, 3.75 WHIP, and a .476 BAA against the Twins. OUCH!! My point is not to b**** and moan its to point out some facts and ask the question, how or why did this happen, and can or will it happen again? Is this just a symptom of bad luck where as far as playing the Twins was concerned anything that could go wrong did go wrong? Did Juan Pierre break down in Sept due to age and games played? Is there something the sox can or should do differently, especially with our pitchers in order to avoid this type of debacle. And finally is this what sports announcers and radio host call getting in your head? Were the twins in the sox pitchers heads? Ever player on this list we are going to need in 2011 in order to make the playoffs, but we wont have a chance in hell again if our pieces fall apart when the pressure is on. actually, 3 of those guys you mentioned are bullpen buys. IIRC, all of Thorton, Putz and Santos got rocked in the Twins series back in September. The bullpen just had a terrible series vs Twins. They were pretty solid against them up to that point. You also have to keep in mind that the Sox were fading a bit prior to that series, so i think it's a matter of bad momentum or the pen simply running out of gas. If you look at it, some players just generally performs poorly vs certain teams, and some guys excels against certain teams. You can say that just about any player. So i don't see this as anything significant. In the end, I'd say that Twins just somehow finds a way to beat us.

QUOTE (Kalapse @ Oct 3, 2010 -> 12:25 AM) So do I buy NBA 2k11 based on the IGN review? They're the only one out there but "best of its generation" is pretty bold, hate to drop $60 then find out that IGN was being hyperbolic. Tough decision, leaning toward picking it up. get it at Kmart and get $20 gaming credit http://kmart.shoplocal.com/kmart/default.a...mart-101003Base

QUOTE (bucket-of-suck @ Oct 3, 2010 -> 06:11 PM) Kemp won a Gold Glove out there just a year ago. He'd move to RF just fine. He's got a track record of stellar defense. LA has soured on him big time and I think they'd move him for Gavin who likely would dominate in the NL going forward. Jeter won numerous GGs by playing for a big market team, and being constantly featured in highlight reel plays. Fact is he lacks great range and shouldn't even be considered for the GG. After Franklin Gutierrez failed to win it last year despite clearly being the best fielder in baseball, you really have to take the GG awards with a grain of salt, it merely an award base on reputation. Alexei is clearly the best fielding SS in the AL this season, and he isn't even a lock to win it. Track record only suggests that Kemp had been a mediocre RF in the past. He definitely has the tools to be better. but like Balta said, until he changes his approach to the game, you shouldn't expect a great season defensively at RF from this guy.

btw, can someone remove the poll at the top of this thread? it's totally irrelevant right now, and it only brings back bad memories to bulls fans.

who actually buys it, tripping over a gym bag? i smell something fishy. good thing that boozer is ambidextrous

kemp is a defensive upgrade? not by much. he actually has worst UZR in the league this season in CF, even worse than CQ (surprisingly possible). and he is only mediocre at best in previous years at RF. I really think that Kemp would at cost us both Floyd and Morel. and i am not sure what is the market for pena, sure he is a defensive upgrade, but he hit .196 this season... yuk, after hitting .247 and .227 previous years, I believe I've never saw stat line of .196-28-84 from a player over 400 ABs, ever.

QUOTE (Kalapse @ Oct 1, 2010 -> 09:59 PM) IGN has the first review of NBA 2k11: they gave it a 9.5 and called it "the best sports game of its generation". If this keeps up I'm gonna be forced to buy my first basketball game in a while. you beat me to it, i read the IGN article and was going to say the same thing. From what i saw, the Jordan challenge is gonna be amazing, especially for us Jordan fan boys. Every game in the jordan challenge is gonna be so detailed that teams are running the exact same plays as they ran in those games in the past. Hit 6 threes in the first half vs portland and MJ will give you that signature shrug. Is anyone here gonna pick up the game for Xbox 360?

i have no idea what you just said, i was only paying attention to the Asian girl in your sig. i hope she will be back in 2011

QUOTE (joeynach @ Sep 30, 2010 -> 05:27 PM) More of a logical business choice to me. You wouldnt pay $$ to go see bad movies would you. Put a good show on, show us a quality product and Ill spend my $$ on your tickets. Put a crappy show and team out there, no saying I wont support or be a fan, but I have no reason to spend my limited entertainment $$ on you then. Thats a good fans motto, something that doesn't exist on the Northside. you do realize that it's the same team that went 26-4 in one stretch, and was 4 games ahead at one point in the season, and they are playing some of their best baseball again right now.

did anyone happen to net any tickets to the bulls heats game in January? the presale started at 10 am, and all the presale tickets were gone for that game at 1, and only a few singles tickets remains for the laker game

where is thompson? mitchell, escobar and phegley are all double A's right

QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Sep 28, 2010 -> 01:20 AM) that's why i said i would rather, rather than it will be likely. would you want garcia or pena as your fifth starter, both guys who has shown poor peripherals this season, and will probably get you an ERA closer to 5.00, or a younger guy in Torres who has better chance to succeed than both of those guys going forward? Torres has been in Triple A for 3 years now, and has performed very well the last 2 seasons, i think it would be fair to at least give him a shot in the big leagues.

i would rather go with a younger guy with more potential not named Chris Sale. Carlos Torres.

yea you are right, just didn't consider the scenario where the Sox would land inside the top 15. Always feel like that they are closer to the top 10 teams in the league. I believe next years draft is much deeper than this years, a top 20 pick might be just as good as a top 15 or even a top 10 pick this year. So i would hate to lose that pick.

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Sep 20, 2010 -> 12:42 AM) Not that the White Sox will end up signing anybody anyways because of the insane amount of money already locked up for next season, but getting a top 15 pick would actually be advantageous so if a player who is a Type A free agent slips through the cracks, the Sox can sign him without giving up their first round pick. On top of that, losing the 2nd round pick would allot more money towards either that draft pick (though I'm not sure how much that would matter since the Sox don't go over slot anyways) or to allow the Sox to grab a few others who fall later in the draft. if i am not mistaken, you would only lost the first round pick right? if it's a type A, the former team of the FA will get the first round pick from the signing team and a compensation pick in the sandwich round. If it's a type B pick then the former team gets a compensation pick in the sandwich round, and will not affect the signing team. Teams do not lose a second round pick. That's how I think it works.

QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Sep 26, 2010 -> 06:23 PM) Tony Pena is hot garbage. come on, even though he is a big chubby guy but throws like mark buerhle and can't strike nobody out, he is very good in long relief (2 inning +) and spot starts this year. In 64.2 innings of such, he had only give up 22 ERs, good for a 3.08 ERA. Give credit to where is due.

boy these f***ers are streaky man. It's like a tale of two seasons. I remember back in April and May for a stretch of three weeks also, this teams can't string together wins or losses, it's win and lose one back and forth. Now late in the season, they just can't stop ending whatever streak they are in, win 7 lose 8 and now 4 in counting. btw, Tony Pena has been pretty reliable when the Sox needed him for long relief or spot starts, almost made people forget about the great D.J. Carrasco.

http://msn.foxsports.com/nba/story/carmelo...in-works-092410 Done deal, Melo agrees to an extension and trade to the Nets.

donnie darko yo

if you look at their shot chart from 82games.com and nba.com/hotspots, nothing suggest Carmelo is a superior outside shooter than lebron, in fact lebron has hit twice as many 3s in his career than Carmelo with a higher %, and last season, lebron hit 43.6% on his jump shots, compared to 41% for Carmelo, if you think lebron makes a living off fast break, and alleys, he actually attempts 64% jump shots, and 63% for Melo. Stats aside, lebron can always score more if he is not a pass first player, Carmelo plays in a high octane offense in Denver, and Lebron plays under Mike Brown's defensive oriented system. Keep in mind, Lebron commands double team more often than Carmelo, so he scores in more difficult situation. So i don't know how exactly is Carmelo a better offensive player.

QUOTE (whitesoxfan99 @ Sep 22, 2010 -> 04:37 PM) That is simply ridiculous because if you get the ball to Noah uncovered he will score or at least take the jumper if he pops rather than goes to the basket. Rose was not great at running the pick and roll last year, I do agree Noah isn't the ideal big man to run it with but Rose also was not adept (and this was probably Noah's fault as well) at reading the defense and angles and creating easy opportunities for Noah the way premier PGs do when running the pick and roll. agreed, even though rose did have a below average offensive group around him, and he did show flashes of his court vision, he hasn't shown that he is capable of orchestrating an offense, reading defense and creating easy opportunities for his teammate, which is what a great playmaker is all about.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Sep 22, 2010 -> 04:11 PM) If we're asking was the Bulls offense bad...yes, absolutely...it was really bad. If you go by Offensive efficiency as defined by the NBA version of B-R, the Bulls were 27th out of 30 teams (points per 100 possessions). If you go simply by scoring, the Bulls were 24th of 30. That doesn't mean that Rose didn't have room for improvement on his passing...but the Bulls offense really was dreadful. One other thing worth noting in terms solely of assist percentage...a lot of the time Rose spent on the floor last year there was another PG on the floor as well. Rose assisted on about 30% of his team's baskets, Hinrich assisted on 20%. Nash, for example, assisted on 50%. maybe it had to do with their best player ranked 42nd in league in PER, and who is also the go to scorer, ranks 32 of all point guards in TS%? Offensive efficiency is a team stat, so it's not just the player around Rose.

QUOTE (J.Reedfan8 @ Sep 22, 2010 -> 04:06 PM) Who can you consider an all-star on his team? He doesn't have Durant, he doesn't have the Big Three. He doesn't have Amar'e and he didn't have Boozer till now like the other PGs do. He doesn't have Duncan, or Anthony, or Howard. He is by himself. Now.. if he digresses THIS season (since he has better talent), but you have a legitimate argument, but until then, your argument is flawed. who did nash have when amare went out? who did dwill have when boozer went down, who did paul has when West, Peja, or chandler went down? Let's not forget Rose did have BG for a year, and Salmons for half seasons, deng is a pretty good scorer in his own right with 17 ppg, though if you use your own logic, you probably point to that he is a hard teammate to work with.

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Sep 22, 2010 -> 04:12 PM) Because he is the one guy that could single-handedly carry that team the past two years with lackluster talent surrounding him. His first year, he was all drive to the hole, no midrange or 3 point shot. He worked on the midrange first, and increased his scoring 4 points a game. I am willing to bet that his 3 point shot is vastly improved seeing how all that was talked about was how he worked on it all summer long. His assists per game isnt shameful at 6, and we have seen flashes of his court vision being superb, it isnt consistent but it is there. I really think that when you put some talent around him that can shoot and defend, Rose will show you the playmaker that he is. Like I said, you have your opinion, I have mine. Whatever the hell usage is, ok whatever most of what you said equates to a great scorer, not a great playmaker.