Knackattack

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Aug 19, 2015 -> 01:12 PM) It isn't just framing. It is all of the defensive components, including pitch calling. And I am sure if you took and boiled it down the same way for offensive stats, it would look remarkably similar. For example, Soto's .248 average vs Flowers .217 average means Soto gets 0.09 (based on 3.1 PA/G) hits per game more than Tyler. Looks really small when you present it that way, versus looking at it as almost 50% more. Soto's OBP is nearly .100 points higher, if you use his HR/PA conversion over the same amounts of AB's as Flowers he projects for 14 HR at this point, and on Fangraphs he is rated higher defensively, which matches the eye test for me as well. Tyler's lateral movement is horrible whereas Soto can be fairly quick behind the plate. Not to mention literally all of the WAR produced by Sox catchers comes from Soto, Flowers is negative. It should at least be a strict platoon where Soto catches vs lefties.

QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Aug 19, 2015 -> 12:42 PM) Soto is a better hitter. That's it though. Some one posted that Flowers pitch framing turns like 1.89 balls into strikes per game and Soto's turns 1.09 balls into strikes. So you're playing Flowers for his pitch framing when he turns 1 extra ball a game into a fcking strike over Soto while Soto has a .818 OPS and 1.5 WAR for Flowers .608 OPS and -0.1 WAR.

So far this year, Semien looks like a back-up, Phegley looks like a back-up (albeit a good one), Bassit has looked better this year and his fastball velocity has gone up, but you have to imagine that his time in the bullpen has some effect on that. Ravelo missed half the year and still doesn't ever look like he will hit enough homers to be a viable 1st base option. Shark sucked ass for us, but in 4 years I would bet that our comp pick turns into a legit starting pitching prospect either on the farm or in the bigs that will be at least close in the WAR department to them. Also if Shark didn't s*** the bed this year and we were closer to contention, the trade looks great. I'd be fine with KW leaving to go elsewhere and giving Hahn a shot, mostly based on the fact that Hahn seems willing to wait on talent to develop and won't jump the gun trading good prospects for bad players.

Flowers should play only to catch Sale or when Geo physically can't go. Soto is so much better and it's inexcusable to sit him so much in favor of Flowers.

Alexei has had some good years here but I really hope they decline his option

Well I think we can all see where this is going again tonight.

f*** Melky come on

QUOTE (fathom @ Aug 18, 2015 -> 07:53 PM) Shouldn't be playing every day right now with his bad shoulder. I agree. They need to just give him 3 days off, he was doing very well before that.

Eaton looking pretty crappy the past couple days

f***in Danks

QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Aug 17, 2015 -> 09:13 PM) Lol just no Yeah, if Avi is in the minors there is a chance he comes back. They need to ship him off to become another teams problem

QUOTE (Baron @ Aug 17, 2015 -> 09:42 PM) I'm sure Adam LaSuck will be in the lineup tomorrow This line-up just makes me want to cancel my mlb.tv subscription. Can't believe I pay 25$ a month to watch these some of these guys.

QUOTE (pettie4sox @ Aug 17, 2015 -> 09:41 PM) Tyler Flowers ruined the night. He left 5 guys on base himself... Let that sink in for a minute. Tyler Flowers is not a major league hitter

And a s***f*** lineup ruins the best start of Rodon's career

Sanchez jesus

Need to get some one on. Feel like Eaton will crush this guy

How do you swing through 89 and 84 mph come the f*** on

QUOTE (iamshack @ Aug 17, 2015 -> 09:27 PM) No, we'll unload the bench to pinch hit in the 9th because, it's the 9th. I bet money Flowers bats instead of Soto

Now we have Saladino Flowers and Beckham for their closer to destroy and only Beckham will be PH for with Sanchez and 2 outs

QUOTE (fathom @ Aug 17, 2015 -> 09:22 PM) Hit-and-run time to avoid the 5-4-3

QUOTE (fathom @ Aug 17, 2015 -> 09:21 PM) LaRoche or Ventura? I despise LaRoche way more

Please get rid of this piece of garbage

QUOTE (fathom @ Aug 17, 2015 -> 09:15 PM) His stuff is good tonight, they're just attacking him earlier in the count. A start like tonight is more impressive to me than his start at Wrigley last month where he had horrible command but got lucky. The slider hasn't had the best control but it's hard to K the same line-up that many times again 5 days later

QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Aug 17, 2015 -> 09:11 PM) 2 mistakes and it'll cost Rodon the game because of this inept offense. Don't worry Avi will get a single and Robin will PH LaRoche and he will swing into a double play

Had a feeling that was gonna happen. f***