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QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Feb 20, 2014 -> 10:26 AM) ESPN sucks and won't let me download the picture, but I wanted to post the photo of Viciedo and Abreu laughing. It's pretty awesome. It kind of looks like this :lol: and then they're like kinda bent over and it makes me all warm inside because BASE BALL

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Feb 20, 2014 -> 10:27 AM) They both look more yellow than I thought...

QUOTE (TaylorStSox @ Feb 19, 2014 -> 11:09 AM) I never said Jeter was more detrimental than beneficial. I said to be among the best ever, you have to be a complete player. Jeter was a cornerstone player. It's foolish to build around a player that became so flawed. You don't consider Ted Williams to be one of the greatest players ever? If not, you have lost all credibility.

QUOTE (TaylorStSox @ Feb 19, 2014 -> 10:21 AM) You can't be a top player when half your game is putrid. You have to have a complete game. It's incredible how much defense has become undervalued. I'll take a great fielding SS over a great hitting SS every day of the week and it's not close. Pitching and defense still wins baseball games and always will. If Jeter would have played 2nd or 3rd, the argument changes. But he didn't. They ran him out there at SS and he hurt his team. That's not my fault. Can't win a game without scoring. One player effects a game on offense far greater than he ever could on defense and players have a hell of a better chance sticking in the majors by being an all bat, no glove player instead of an all glove, no bat player. I mean honestly, how many HOFers are there because of their defense? Even the ones that are, most were solid with the bat. Many, many HOFers are there solely because of their bat with no regards to their defense. While I'm not a Jeter fan, his bat was far more beneficial to the Yankees than his defense was detrimental and that's not even debatable.

QUOTE (bmags @ Feb 19, 2014 -> 07:35 AM) Why did Frank get all prissy on Twitter earlier? What rookie was compared to him? I didn't see it, but somebody else on twitter said it was Abreu. Whether he was guessing or not, I don't know.

QUOTE (HickoryHuskers @ Feb 14, 2014 -> 11:53 AM) If there were a team offering him that, he'd have signed by now. Players that are still free agents on Feb. 15 tend not to get offered 3+ year deals for $30+ million. Agreed. I don't think he's in a very good position right now. If teams were offering that contract, he probably would be signed by now and this late in the offseason a lot of guys sign one year deals and try the FA luck again next year. But who is willing to give up a draft pick for a one year rental?

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Feb 14, 2014 -> 11:51 AM) And if he doesn't, they have the pitching version of Adam Dunn. Nope. Nothing like Dunn because he's three years younger. - Signed TUC

QUOTE (Downtown518 @ Feb 14, 2014 -> 11:22 AM) Retweeted by FutureSox.com U-God ‏@SBN_UGod 35m So Ervin Santana just started following a whole lot of White Sox media folk and bloggers.

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Feb 13, 2014 -> 04:48 PM) I'm assuming coming election is just a colloquialism for the future, so I'm great with this post too. I also want to point out how awesome it is that we can be at each others' throats for the better part of 2 weeks and suddenly we start talking about beer and it's like we're old time friends. I think this is always true, and to say "screw you!" to anybody that does not drink beer (recovered alcoholics aside, we still like you). To beer!

QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ Feb 13, 2014 -> 04:47 PM) I like the lager, too. It's got 'woman' in the name, I think. Two Women, and yes it's good as well.

QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ Feb 13, 2014 -> 04:31 PM) I'm not a fan of the SS, but I agree on Fat Squirrel. Everyone should take an annual trip up to the Mars Cheese Castle anyway and you can always grab a sixer of that. I think it's the best New Glarus beer. Fat Squirrel is definitely my favorite New Glarus beer, but I do really like their Coffee Stout and Uff-Da as well. I would put New Glarus's beers up against anybodies and I'm glad I live in Wisconsin and can get it without having to make a trip out of it.

QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ Feb 13, 2014 -> 04:11 PM) I love Moose Drool! It has been in Chicago for a while, but I'm not sure if it's in NY. I always tell Newcastle fans they have to try Moose Drool. I like Newcastle but Moose Drool is head and shoulders above it I think. If you like brown ales, New Glarus's Fat Squirrel is great (although they don't distribute outside of WI) and if you don't mind spending a little dough, Samuel Smith's Nut Brown is one of the better beers I've ever had.

QUOTE (The Ultimate Champion @ Feb 13, 2014 -> 03:02 PM) Sam Adams is a quality craftsman. I'm guessing that wite's joke went sailing right over your head.

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Feb 13, 2014 -> 01:51 PM) Duke was banned. HE GONE. About time. The thing that is astonishing to me is that he somehow managed to stick around long enough to get in 4000+ posts.

QUOTE (The Ultimate Champion @ Feb 13, 2014 -> 02:23 PM) I also would like to quote this post as both groundbreaking and historic in it's own sense, as you will find at least two terms in here which are not covered by the language filter (nor should they be) which can be used freely by all and should be used freely by all unless they are used in a manner which I would disagree with. You have officially gone off the deep end when you start quoting and replying to yourself.

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Feb 13, 2014 -> 02:24 PM) I can work with that. I also have no problem if we each grab a 24 of Miller Lite and just drink all day. You know what they say - you can't drink all day if you don't start in the morning. Miller Lite? You have now officially joined my list of Hall of Shame Soxtalk posters along with Marty, TUC and Jose Abreu.

QUOTE (SCCWS @ Feb 13, 2014 -> 02:09 PM) Eaton played 30 games in CF. He started 28 and came in late in 2. Of the 28 he started, he finished 21. In RF he played 4 games, started 3 and finished 1. Maybe I am reading it wrong???? http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/...d02-field.shtml That page makes it look kind of goofy. Some of those games he started in CF, he then moved to LF so he does not get the CG stat for CF that you are looking at. If you scroll through his game log it will make a little more sense.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Feb 13, 2014 -> 01:08 PM) They don't have anymore failed lefty starters who throw 97-98 do they? Ha ha, good call. A 2008 era Matt Thornton type would look great in our bullpen.

QUOTE (pittshoganerkoff @ Feb 13, 2014 -> 12:52 PM) Shockingly enough, I agree with MOST of this post. I think I am one of the few posters who thinks Gillaspie isn't that bad. In my opinion, he's a much better option for the bench than Keppinger. But, as far as Dunn goes, he's here to stay at least for the first half of the season. Agreed he doesn't have future value, but there's just no way to get rid of him right now without eating every penny of his contract. So, since he's already on the White Sox roster, put him out there and let him play his last season with the Sox. I'll take the 30+ HRs he'll hit, albeit while grumbling about strikeouts. I'm actually somewhat of a fan of Gillaspie too, but he just has no room on this team. He's not versatile enough to be our only backup IF and I'd hate to see him take away at bats from Davidson if he were to start.

QUOTE (IowaSoxFan @ Feb 13, 2014 -> 12:43 PM) When you are playing for the future more than the present, it makes little sense to get rid of assets and their lowest possible value. Kepp's value really only has one way to go, Gillaspie is talented enough to be a regular, not an all-star or anything, but somebody who can man the position and not hurt the team. He will have value to someone when their starting 3B doesn't pan out. De Aza's biggest negative is his makeup right now, his head just wasn't there defensively or on the basepaths last season, and until he can prove that was a fluke, your are not getting his true value in a trade. If its not a fluke, it doesn't really affect his value as that is the image scouts already have of him. I am all for moving De Aza in the right package, I just dont see a team out there with a big enough need to give up what he is worth. Once the season starts and teams get a look at what they have, he will be much more valuable as long as he isn't a platoon player. When you are playing for the future, it makes no sense to play guys who are not considered to be key parts of said future (Gillaspie, De Aza, Keppinger) over guys that are being counted on to be key components of the future Sox (Eaton, Davidson).

QUOTE (The Ultimate Champion @ Feb 13, 2014 -> 12:34 PM) No. If you don't want to sign Santana, fine. If you think the draft pick and slot $$$ is too good to pass up then I understand. What I don't understand is how Santana is too old to sign but Dunn, much older at 34, needs to play. Can't have both. BTW EMinor, have you ever thought about how much better this roster would function without Dunn around? Have you taken time to truly consider what kind of player Viciedo could become this year if given every opportunity? Have you considered DeAza's offensive value over the years, and specifically how valuable he could be if only asked to play LF and given a full season of ABs? Also, did you know that Connor Gillaspie has a little upside to offer? One is a pitcher and one is a DH. Apples and oranges.

QUOTE (IowaSoxFan @ Feb 13, 2014 -> 12:31 PM) Which means that De Aza, Keppinger and Gillaspie need to play everyday to build enough value that someone will trade for them. De Aza has enough value to be traded for something semi decent now. Keppinger and Gillaspie need to be sent packing for whatever the Sox can get. Neither one is starting caliber and will never bring back anything more than a marginal prospect, especially with the money that is tied to Keppinger.

QUOTE (IowaSoxFan @ Feb 13, 2014 -> 12:29 PM) If De Aza is the best OF, Eaton gets stashed in AAA getting everyday AB's until ADA gets dealt. The Sox are playing for the future more than the present. There is nearly zero chance that ADA gets a roster spot over Eaton. If ADA is not on the opening top 25 man, then it is Jordan Danks who is out and the Sox will use a 4 man rotation in the OF.

QUOTE (The Ultimate Champion @ Feb 13, 2014 -> 12:13 PM) I assume the Sox would take out policies on every sizable contract. That Dunn contract was one of the largest in Sox history at the time. I mean come on, it's JR, the contract is covered. And again the injury point is more to illustrate his trade value and proper expectations. DeAza shouldn't lose playing time because of him, neither should Viciedo, neither should any potentially useful bench player or spot starter such as Gillaspie who probably stands to loose the most, nor should the Sox lose versatility on the bench. They have a 4-man bench most likely which includes Paulie who can stand there at 1B a couple days per week. At least without Dunn the Sox could have Gillaspie, Keppinger and take one of Danks/MIF. DeAza in LF could slide to CF when Eaton needs a day off & someone could cover LF, and when Avi needs the day off maybe Gillaspie or Viciedo are out there. Ideally the Sox would have both a MIF and Danks as a CF backup but that's probably not happening. Edit: I actually forgot about the extra catcher. Jeez the bench is in a bad spot. Sox need to dump Dunn and make at least one trade on top of it. First, on the insurance thing. I had done a little research on contract insurance policies in the past and I believe the premiums could be upwards of 10% of the player's contract. They also only paid between around 50%-75% and were usually only given in three year timeframes before the policy had to be renewed. So if the Sox had taken out a three year policy on Dunn, it would be expired already and they wouldn't take out another for one year. It's not like the insurance company is just going to hand them a $15 million check. Second, the logjam on the bench was caused by JR's emotions of not letting Konerko go even though the time has come. Dunn should be the everyday starting DH on the team until they get close to the trade deadline when a contending team will certainly be interested if he puts up similar numbers to last year. Your suggestion that Dunn be released because he is taking at bats away from Conor f***ing Gillaspie is absolutely ridiculous. If Hahn/JR would ever be willing to eat Dunn's $15 million and lose his 30+ HRs and 80+ RBIs to get Conor Gillaspie in the lineup, well then it's time Hahn start looking for a new job and time for JR to sell the team. With Viciedo, Eaton and Garcia all set to start, there is no room for De Aza at the price he is being paid. Hahn needs to keep looking into trading De Aza, Keppinger and Gillaspie. End of story.

QUOTE (The Ultimate Champion @ Feb 13, 2014 -> 11:42 AM) You know exactly what I mean but you're spinning it. An injury yields roster space and lots of $$$ back. No trade can do that. That alone describes the worth of Dunn. I don't want the guy to have to sit out the year because he's hurt, I just don't want him on the team. He can play for anyone else, I don't care, as long as it's not here. You have no idea whether or not the Sox took out an insurance policy on Adam Dunn's contract. As expensive as those policies are, it would not surprise me in the least if they did not seeing as how it was only a four year deal and Dunn had only played less than 150 games once in his career.