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This from MLB: Interesting new twist on teams going over Draft Salary Cap. There's another wrinkle to this. These lottery picks can be traded. That's right, for the first time in Major League history, Draft picks can be dealt. But there are a series of conditions and limitations regarding such transactions. Only a team that wins a pick in the lottery can trade it, meaning that selection can be traded just once. It can't be sold for cash, and it may only be dealt during the season. Trading can commence the day after the lottery is held and is allowed until the end of that regular season. So seeing a lottery pick or two involved in some July 31 Trade Deadline deals is a distinct possibility. They cannot be included in any Winter Meetings deals, however, with trading of picks again permitted at the beginning of the following regular season. Teams eligible for '13 Lottery Arizona D-backs Baltimore Orioles Cleveland Indians Kansas City Royals Oakland Athletics Pittsburgh Pirates San Diego Padres Tampa Bay Rays Cincinnati Reds Colorado Rockies Miami Marlins Milwaukee Brewers St. Louis Cardinals The lottery, it seems, has been designed to help small-market and lowest-revenue clubs gain more talent not just because they had a poor season. Many of the smaller-market clubs were proponents of a system with hard slotting. While that hasn't happened, this current system is designed, with this lottery a part of it, to give those clubs a competitive advantage compared to the status quo. There is one other lottery, one for picks forfeited by teams going over their allotted bonus pools. Any team going five to 10 percent over its pool gets taxed at 75 percent and loses a first-round pick. Anyone going 10-15 percent over gets hit with a 100-percent tax and loses a first- and second-round pick. Anything over 15 percent means a 100-percent tax and loss of first-round selections in the next two Drafts. Any of those forfeited picks would go into a separate lottery. Any team that did not exceed its pool will be in that lottery. In this one, though, the odds are not just based on winning percentage, but on a formula of revenue and winning percentage.

QUOTE (DirtySox @ Nov 28, 2011 -> 11:55 AM) jimcallisBA Jim Callis #mlbdraft changes looking more dire. Just heard from club exec who said pool for first 10 rounds closer to $180 mil than reported $200 mil 52 minutes ago Favorite Retweet Reply jimcallisBA Jim Callis More from exec: If you don't sign a pick, you lose his cap value. You can't not sign 1st-rder & spend his $ elsewhere. #mlbdraft 51 minutes ago Favorite Retweet Reply Wow-that's shocking that's included.

Excellent move-We are already benefiting from the new collective bargaining agreement by finally having someone to help oversee the Latin America operations.

Here's is 5 year labor agreement in details http://bizofbaseball.com/index.php?option=...s&Itemid=42

I love how this totally f up's the Ricketts plan with the Cubs.

Wow this is shocking how drastic they made with the changes. This is great news for the White Sox, but bad for baseball. This has huge negative impact on small market teams Royals, Pirates, Tampa, Washington, Arizona, etc. The low budget teams are going to remain s***ty teams because of this.

With Sale going in as a starter that guarantees the Sox must have 6 starters for the year. Sale has never pitched more more than 120 innings in a season and that took place 2 years ago. This year he pitched 71 innings. At most, Sale should pitch between 120-150 innings for next year. Anything more than that is a guarantee arm/shoulder injury waiting to happen. Oh-I forgot we need 7 starters-we still have Peavy.

Santos contract though is attractive at 3 yr-8.25 million for a lot of teams

Now is not a good time to trade Santos. With Madson, Cordero, F. Rodriguez, Lidge, Bell, Broxton, Nathan and to a lesser extent K. Wood, Frank Franciso, and Rodney all available in free agency. Santos trade value gets hurt because of availability of so many closers on the market. Teams are going to be less willing to give up solid prospects. The only thing that is going for Santos is his contract which would be a steal compared to the deals that is being thrown out in free agency. Papelbon contract was just plain stupid, but that will give you an idea of the money that's going to be thrown away this off season. Giants picking up Affeldt 5 million option, Javier Lopez who throws only against lefties 2yr-8.5 mil.

QUOTE (DirtySox @ Nov 15, 2011 -> 07:30 PM) http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseb...0,5215505.story I'd say blow it up. When you decided to make Robin Ventura your manager to learn on the job that shows rebuilding is the direction your going. Danks has no desire to signing and wants to test free agency. Trade Quentin-check. Floyd doesn't have to be traded right away unless you get blown away in a deal-like when we stole Danks and Massett from Rangers. Then let's start the rebuilding by trading Konerko, Thornton, Pierznyski, and the possibility of seeing any takers for Rios and eating a lot of the contract. We need to focus on player development and the farm system. Also, the new collective bargaining agreement will benefit the Sox because of the changes being made towards the draft. It's way to hard to think they will be competitive the next 2 years with Rios, Dunn, and Peavy contracts messing things up and the departure of Buehrle.

QUOTE (JoeCoolMan24 @ Oct 31, 2011 -> 02:44 PM) And you have like 8 months before S5. Breaking Bad is my favorite-Must Watch. This season was the best one yet. Best show since The Wire.

QUOTE (MAX @ Oct 30, 2011 -> 01:41 PM) I really believe that AJ is worth much more than people around here seem to think in trade. He might be type A next year too. 6 mil isn't really that much money for a year. I also find it hilarious that he has the same numerical ranking as joe mauer. In order to get get compensation for a Type A free agent you need to offer AJ arbitration. There is no way the Sox going to offer him at 6 million a year at the Age of 37 in 2012. No chance we get compensation so the best hope is an injury happens to another club during spring training or the season.

We orginally traded for Edwin Jackson and his high contract 8.35 million for Daniel Hudson and Dave Holmberg who might be a Top 10 lefty prospect in all of the minors. Then we trade Edwin Jackson and Teahen for Zach Stewart and saving close to 9.5 million. That trade was horrible when we could of had Hudson/16 wins this year for 6 years before becoming a free agent and we threw in our Top pitching prospect even though he was in rookie ball. Pathetic job by Kenny Williams.

QUOTE (Y2HH @ Oct 29, 2011 -> 10:52 AM) There's no real way to prove that they wouldn't have won without him just as well. The point is, to say the Cardinals "won" in the trade simply because they "won the series" is just cause-and-effect bulls*** that cannot be proven. The Sox didn't lose in that trade, regardless. The Sox weren't going to win the WS (let alone the division) with EJ and Tehen anyway, so getting rid of both and getting anything in return, as far as I'm concerned, is a win for the White Sox in that trade. So in saying the Cards won in that trade and the Sox lost is simply disingenuous. To say otherwise is just baseball dumb. Sox lost the trade when they decided to trade Daniel Hudson and Dave Holmberg for Edwin Jackson. Still shaking my head on that one.

Elias Rankings came out for Type A and Type B free agents. It sucks that Buehrle just missed being a Type A free agent. We could of gotten an extra 1st or 2nd round draft pick if he didn't tail off at the end of the year. http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2011/09/2010...s-rankings.html

We would never get compensation for Type A for AJ in 2012 because we would never take the risk to offer him arbitration. He will never get a $6 million offer from a team at Age 36

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Oct 20, 2011 -> 05:22 PM) And Mitchell and Thompson can still turn it around. If they start getting near their potential that is two really good OF prospects that come on to the scene. Josh Phegley just tore his ACL getting prepared for AFL. That's why Michael Blank took over his spot. Phegley is bascially done with our organiztion because the huge liability on him is his defense. You can't have 2 horrible defenders behind the plate with him and Flowers.

QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Oct 20, 2011 -> 08:14 AM) After we trade TCQ, Danks/Floyd and Thornton? Yeah probably. Plus the numbres 3 and 5 prospects from FLA we already got for Ozzie. By the way, Kalapse brought up the idea that we should try to find a system we feel is worse and make a comparison. I can't honestly say I know a lot of other systems in any depth, but when we were trading Ozzie, I did look at multiple analyses of the Marlins' system. And I am pretty convinced the Sox system is at least better than that one. Just looking at quality level at various points in multiple prospect lists, random sampling of players, the Sox system looks better to me. And I totally agree with those talking about the spending problem. That is the biggest issue, is being so unwilling to properly invest in the draft and in the international market. One other thing to think about... evaluating drafts is a little like evaluating the President. It takes a few years after, to really know how it went. Example? In 2008 and 2009, the Sox system was similarly derided as being one of the worst in baseball. But the following players entered the Sox system (draft, trade or NDFA) in 2008: Gordon Beckham (drafted, MLB starter) Brent Morel (drafted, MLB starter) Dan Hudson (drafted, MLB starter) Charlie Leesman (drafted, talked about as being on the cusp of MLB) Tyler Kuhn (drafted, possible Sox utility man in 2012) Brandon Short (drafted, Playing AFL, borderline MLB talent) Terry Doyle (drafted, playing AFL, getting attention) Tyler Flowers (via trade) Brent Lillibridge (via trade) Dan Remenowsky (NDFA pickup, now on the cusp) That's pretty impressive for one org in one year, at three years later. Three guys starting in the majors, two more playing in the majors, and a handful of other guys who have a good shot to make it. And I don't think it was recognized just how impressive it was, until at least 2010. Now if the Sox can just invest in the system a little more, it seems like maybe the org has the right development staff in place down there. I find it comical you mention all those names: The only player that is a worthy player on a playoff contention team that was drafted was Daniel Hudson and we traded him away when he had 6 years of service time before becoming a free agent. The White Sox will never be a playoff team with players in your lineup such as Morel, Beckham, Axelrod, Short, and Flowers unless your using them as a backup. Our development of Beckham is a prime example of how we ruined this player. Look at what his swing has turned into the last 2 years.

I loved it during the conference when Kenny mentioned that his scouts and player development has drafted and developed a lot of gems in the farm system. Whose he crapping!!!

Rumor has it that Warren Newson is going to be the hitting coach.

Christian Yelich is a solid prospect with huge potential if he's in the deal

Scott Ruffcorn

QUOTE (Milkman delivers @ Sep 12, 2011 -> 11:33 AM) Is there much of a difference between batting Dunn or Rios cleanup? No, not really, but there's still a slightly better chance with one. With the future outlook of this team being quite grim, you have to take every little advantage you can. Mitchell and Poreda weren't considered reaches. We picked both of them right at the area they should of have been selected.

QUOTE (WHITESOXRANDY @ Aug 17, 2011 -> 04:08 PM) But, does he have any sons that made their high school teams so that the Sox can draft them real high ? He did a great job negotiating with Teahen and Dunn.

QUOTE (danman31 @ Aug 17, 2011 -> 11:13 PM) Focus on the Sox all you want, but that's not the number that stands out to me. $236 million sounds like a broken system to me. Take advantage of the broken system. Us being a major market team it's sad that we are the last team in spending towards the draft and international front almost every year. New York Mets used to be just like us, but they finally woke up this year and changed their draft philosophy with their new GM. That's why you are seeing so many of the small market teams wising up the last couple years by investing $10-15 million in the draft each year. Pittsburgh, KC, Tampa Bay, Toronto, Cleveland, and Seattle are building their farm systems the right way and already our benefiting on their big league club which will save hundreds of millions of dollars those first 6 years before they become free agent. Chisenhall, Kipnis, Hosmer, Moustakas, Duffy, Crow, Alvarez, McCutchen, Jennings, Price, Pineda, Ackley and the list goes on and on. I know a bunch of those players are Boras players and high first round draft picks and that brings up another fact that the White Sox will never consider drafting a Scott Boras player because we are too cheap with farm development to get involved in that situation.