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Just for reference Peter Bourjos was a +1 last year with CF/RF time with the Phillies. With the Cardinals he was a -4 in CF in 2015.

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Feb 2, 2017 -> 09:41 PM) What was Avi's in 2015? -11 on fangraphs. Bill James had him at -14 I believe.

Eaton had like +21 DRS in RF last year. So that's not surprising.

QUOTE (fathom @ Feb 1, 2017 -> 03:46 PM) When's last time they did this? Nationals and Sale

QUOTE (shipps @ Feb 1, 2017 -> 03:39 PM) Doesnt a leak like this hurt them more than help since it was obvious that they made the s*** up to get another team to budge? I'd say yes

Yep Evan Grant shot it down.

Lunhow hugs all his prospects at night. Good luck with that.

Andy Ibanez will probably be a toolsy/+ defender

I dont think it has anything to do with the Astros. Daniels is an aggressive GM like Dombrowski. That's what it's going to take. So far the Sox have been screwing around with the conservative GMs.

Texas really isnt farm rich...they have some nice prospects. But the guy you want is in the majors right now and it's not Profar.

QUOTE (soxforlife05 @ Jan 29, 2017 -> 03:12 PM) I don't buy it. Just posturing. The Red Sox moved the #1 prospect who was considered untouchable. No prospect is off limits besides the obvious ones - Turner, Bregman, etc. Jeff Luhonow is not Dombrowski

Yeah it doesnt sound like he wants some of these talks to still be lingering on into the season. But some of these teams will probably pack up shop soon.

Oh I see this thread has been poisoned

QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Jan 25, 2017 -> 11:21 AM) Garfien also said it hasn't been quiet. They get calls every day but nobody has met the price. What the f*** are they asking for? I think what they are probably asking for is "fair". But my theory is the mystic with Sale is not with Q. These teams really like Q but wont give up that type of package for him. It's up to Hahn if he wants to adjust his value but he doesnt have years to do it.

Dan Hayes on the CSN Podcast said something like that yesterday. They normally dont trade guys during/after Soxfest heading into Spring Training. They all pretty much through Jeff Luhnow wasnt posturing as they just want to see what happens in Spring Training with the team. One of the hosts predicted he sticks through the entire season because of the limited market you get during the deadline. Also Chuck Garfien pretty much shared my worries. That between now and the deadline his trade value is at it's highest. After well the price probably drops.

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Jan 24, 2017 -> 05:09 PM) Quintana's value greatly reduces once he has less than three years of control. Hahn does not have two or three years to move him. It's either now, at the trade deadline, or next offseason. After that, you're almost certainly taking a lesser package. It's not even to next offseason. The market next offseason will be slow. Nobody is trading for Q while the free agent market is so robust and probably ongoing through January. Giving up prospects for a pitcher will be a last resort for pitcher needy teams that can afford signing them.

I think De Leon is going to be a number 4 starter when it's all said and done.

QUOTE (ptatc @ Jan 23, 2017 -> 06:35 PM) TOR potential pitchers always trump second basemen. I'm not high on Jose De Leon at all. Forsythe is a really solid baseball player offensively and defensively with a 2018 option. I think they could have gotten more than the 1-1.

I dont like that deal for the Rays. Think they sold Forsythe a little short.

QUOTE (bmags @ Jan 23, 2017 -> 02:29 PM) http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/2017-zips-p...sburgh-pirates/ Not sure if posted yet. Of note, Meadows already projected as a 2 WAR player, Newman as average. Rotation sure would look a lot nicer with a 4 war player, giving them 13 WAR from their staff. That article just shows me that they are still a ways off even with Q. Maybe they can compete with the Cardinals...maybe.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jan 23, 2017 -> 11:34 AM) Why would anyone even argue? Unless you know exactly what has been turned down, you have nothing to argue about. As far as I can tell, not one poster here has any idea what the White Sox have said no to yet. But there are huge problems. It's ridiculous. I think there's definitely an argument to be made about how long he should wait. No one is arguing that just because Spring Training is around the corner it's game over. I personally dont like the chances after the Trade Deadline.

QUOTE (Al Lopez's Ghost @ Jan 23, 2017 -> 11:17 AM) I think he's being sarcastic. I understood that. He's exaggerating what other people are arguing for and being sarcastic in the same post. The two arent mutually exclusive.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jan 23, 2017 -> 10:18 AM) No. They are all out. The Sox are stuck with Jose Quintana. If anyone ranks pitchers and he doesn't get ranked in the top 5 or 10, whoever is ranking them is a fool. And if RH values him like a top 5 or 10, he is asking for way too much. I mean, he's only signed for 4 more years. Take what you can get, and be done with it. There is no time to spare. Pitchers and catchers report in a month. Your hyperbole is unbearable sometimes. Literally nobody is saying this. Except for maybe that Con te Giolito dude on the rankings. Which is just dumb.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jan 22, 2017 -> 07:46 PM) Posturing. As opposed to Michael Jordan's forte against defenders at the rim. Luhnow is pretty delusional

Kind of off topic but related to my other post. Anybody else notice that after an accident like this or a shooting that it seems like every other country besides the US has no issue showing dead bodies on their local news channels or social media sites? Why do you think that is?