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Andy Ibanez will probably be a toolsy/+ defender

I dont think it has anything to do with the Astros. Daniels is an aggressive GM like Dombrowski. That's what it's going to take. So far the Sox have been screwing around with the conservative GMs.

Texas really isnt farm rich...they have some nice prospects. But the guy you want is in the majors right now and it's not Profar.

QUOTE (soxforlife05 @ Jan 29, 2017 -> 03:12 PM) I don't buy it. Just posturing. The Red Sox moved the #1 prospect who was considered untouchable. No prospect is off limits besides the obvious ones - Turner, Bregman, etc. Jeff Luhonow is not Dombrowski

Yeah it doesnt sound like he wants some of these talks to still be lingering on into the season. But some of these teams will probably pack up shop soon.

Oh I see this thread has been poisoned

QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Jan 25, 2017 -> 11:21 AM) Garfien also said it hasn't been quiet. They get calls every day but nobody has met the price. What the f*** are they asking for? I think what they are probably asking for is "fair". But my theory is the mystic with Sale is not with Q. These teams really like Q but wont give up that type of package for him. It's up to Hahn if he wants to adjust his value but he doesnt have years to do it.

Dan Hayes on the CSN Podcast said something like that yesterday. They normally dont trade guys during/after Soxfest heading into Spring Training. They all pretty much through Jeff Luhnow wasnt posturing as they just want to see what happens in Spring Training with the team. One of the hosts predicted he sticks through the entire season because of the limited market you get during the deadline. Also Chuck Garfien pretty much shared my worries. That between now and the deadline his trade value is at it's highest. After well the price probably drops.

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Jan 24, 2017 -> 05:09 PM) Quintana's value greatly reduces once he has less than three years of control. Hahn does not have two or three years to move him. It's either now, at the trade deadline, or next offseason. After that, you're almost certainly taking a lesser package. It's not even to next offseason. The market next offseason will be slow. Nobody is trading for Q while the free agent market is so robust and probably ongoing through January. Giving up prospects for a pitcher will be a last resort for pitcher needy teams that can afford signing them.

I think De Leon is going to be a number 4 starter when it's all said and done.

QUOTE (ptatc @ Jan 23, 2017 -> 06:35 PM) TOR potential pitchers always trump second basemen. I'm not high on Jose De Leon at all. Forsythe is a really solid baseball player offensively and defensively with a 2018 option. I think they could have gotten more than the 1-1.

I dont like that deal for the Rays. Think they sold Forsythe a little short.

QUOTE (bmags @ Jan 23, 2017 -> 02:29 PM) http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/2017-zips-p...sburgh-pirates/ Not sure if posted yet. Of note, Meadows already projected as a 2 WAR player, Newman as average. Rotation sure would look a lot nicer with a 4 war player, giving them 13 WAR from their staff. That article just shows me that they are still a ways off even with Q. Maybe they can compete with the Cardinals...maybe.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jan 23, 2017 -> 11:34 AM) Why would anyone even argue? Unless you know exactly what has been turned down, you have nothing to argue about. As far as I can tell, not one poster here has any idea what the White Sox have said no to yet. But there are huge problems. It's ridiculous. I think there's definitely an argument to be made about how long he should wait. No one is arguing that just because Spring Training is around the corner it's game over. I personally dont like the chances after the Trade Deadline.

QUOTE (Al Lopez's Ghost @ Jan 23, 2017 -> 11:17 AM) I think he's being sarcastic. I understood that. He's exaggerating what other people are arguing for and being sarcastic in the same post. The two arent mutually exclusive.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jan 23, 2017 -> 10:18 AM) No. They are all out. The Sox are stuck with Jose Quintana. If anyone ranks pitchers and he doesn't get ranked in the top 5 or 10, whoever is ranking them is a fool. And if RH values him like a top 5 or 10, he is asking for way too much. I mean, he's only signed for 4 more years. Take what you can get, and be done with it. There is no time to spare. Pitchers and catchers report in a month. Your hyperbole is unbearable sometimes. Literally nobody is saying this. Except for maybe that Con te Giolito dude on the rankings. Which is just dumb.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jan 22, 2017 -> 07:46 PM) Posturing. As opposed to Michael Jordan's forte against defenders at the rim. Luhnow is pretty delusional

Kind of off topic but related to my other post. Anybody else notice that after an accident like this or a shooting that it seems like every other country besides the US has no issue showing dead bodies on their local news channels or social media sites? Why do you think that is?

QUOTE (Sox-35th @ Jan 22, 2017 -> 10:17 AM) RIP. There's really no excuse for driving while intoxicated anymore. I dont know if that was the reason. Certainly could have been but no reports yet. Police twitter had the pic. Car fllipped. Didnt look long tbough because they still had the bodies laying there.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Jan 21, 2017 -> 01:43 PM) That simply has not been proven to be true. All I have to say is this...could you have gotten Andrew Benintendi at the deadline last year? He is someone you might not have identified last offseason. THERE WILL BE OTHER GUYS THAT TAKE HUGE STEPS BETWEEN NOW AND JULY. The Red Sox did exactly what these other teams are probably threatening to do. They didnt pull the trigger and road their offense. Fortunately for us it didnt work and we were able to cash in on a horrible free agent market. Next offseason that wont be the case as these teams will have more options. Sure these teams could pull the trigger before then and I hope they do. But if this thing goes past the deadline I'm not liking the potential outcome. Then you guys can sit here and preach patience when the market grinds to a halt. I seriously cant wait for the tune to change if this actually happens.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Jan 21, 2017 -> 01:31 PM) I just don't get the hang up here...there will be other guys that replace the ones that get moved up to the big league club...unless you are love with a particular guy, I don't get this fear at all. Havent we gone over this already? At the deadline there is going to be limits from these teams on who they'll be willing to give up. Even more so than the offseason. I dont see teams pulling players out of the lineup or their depth in AAA(major league ready prospects) for a player at the deadline. It's screwing themselves over for a playoff run. If you think the White Sox would take players further down the line then that's interesting. But from what we're witnessed so far that doesnt seem like their interested in a top player who's 5 years out headlining a package.

That's essentially what Luhnow was saying. They have pitching depth to replace injured starters. Pirates can sort of do that with Glasnow. This is why I dont like going into the season without resolving Q's status. The guys they would trade us are the guys they are going to use and potentially succeed with. That takes them out of the equation. Frankly I think that would be silly of them. But look at the GMs your dealing with and realize that's exactly what they could do.

Astros GM Jeff Luhnow: "I think the roster we have is probably the roster that we’re going to have to start the season.” https://twitter.com/jakemkaplan Posturing to the max.

Luis Castillo is good. Everyone else in that deal is not. Only thing is he's 24 and just finished AA. Marlins system is garbage.

QUOTE (CyAcosta41 @ Jan 18, 2017 -> 08:56 PM) You're not alone -- others have mentioned worrying about Rick overplaying his hand. I don't get the concern. At least I don't get it quite yet. It's 18-January; we've got roughly 75 days until the Sox open up on 3-April. Other than rumor, speculation, and possibly team spread leaks, we've got exactly zero hard evidence of who has offered what. But what we know for a certainty is that Q is currently the top available arm by far -- durable, consistent, professional, and by all of the generally accepted metrics a top 10-20 starter for the past four years in ALL OF BASEBALL. If that wasn't enough, he's under control for four years on an absolutely killer contract that provides near unheard of surplus value. Why the concern that Rick is OVERplaying his hand (when it's only 18-January)? Why not give the 2016/2017 version of Rick Hahn ... the dude who has shown his bona fides this year ... the guy who is clearly having an MVP offseason ... the benefit of the doubt? For the time being, why not assume that Rick Hahn is simply PLAYING his hand (not overplaying it ... playing it intelligently and with skill)? For the moment and arguably through the end of spring training, the Sox have ALL the leverage. Given what has transpired thus far this offseason, why take the risk of leaving "money on the table" by accepting the best deal now when the best deal later can very well be superior. I understand some concerns of a long-term hold and an overall shift in leverage when other top pitchers are available, but it sure looks like through 3-April there is one top dog, and we've got him. At worse, some close variation of deals that are available now will still be available on the last day of spring training (or the first day of spring training, take your pick). But Rick has no idea whether another 30-75 days of waiting will ratchet up the pressure on at least one potential trade partner such that they lap the field. I think he's playing his cards masterfully! Well one I dont have to give him the benefit of the doubt. Frankly my trust in him has gone down considerably even after the very good offseason. The rest doesnt apply to me at all. All I've been talking about is the deadline and next offseason. I'm not making a fuss about him not being traded today. But if we're walking into the season with him I think my opinion on that is fairly clear.