Feeky Magee

Michael Taylor 2-2 with a double

QUOTE (scs787 @ Jun 24, 2014 -> 07:23 PM) De Aza very quietly splitting .375/.426/.583 (1.009 OPS for those who don't wanna do the math) in June. Sssh

Tony Bucciferro: 4.0 IP, 1H, 0R, 1BB, 5K

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Jun 24, 2014 -> 06:55 PM) He had to make sure the throw went to short. I just don't think he was the right guy for that play, he isn't fast enough, good jump or not Shouldn't you be running almost as soon as the ball leaves the catcher's hand?

Good Alejandro: Good defence followed by RBI single, steal second, third on throwing error. Bad Alejandro: awful jump on the double steal.

Matt Davidson double

Look at what you could have Baltimore, all for some measly prospects!

QUOTE (SCCWS @ Jun 24, 2014 -> 02:39 PM) I hope they don't. Semien came up struggled and now he is struggling worse in AAA. Bringing him up in April may have resulted in a lost season. Bring up Micah and Sanchez in September so they get as much time as possible in AAA. At this point in late June, neither one is even playing the same position on a consistent basis. Both have been bounced around although the last week Johnson has been moved to 2nd. But that bumped Sanchez to 3rd and Davidson to the bench. He's not really struggling at AAA, he's only hitting .208 but his BABIP is .203. He's walking as much as he's striking out and he's hitting for decent power.

QUOTE (chitownsportsfan @ Jun 24, 2014 -> 01:29 PM) I agree but the scouting reports all note the ability is there to play SS, anyone got any more concrete info or stats from his time as SS this year in AAA? I was listening to a Charlotte game the other night and their announcers were RAVING about him at shortstop. Said he made some spectacular plays and he'd been producing gold glove level defence all year.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jun 24, 2014 -> 10:23 AM) Just because he has a rate this year, doesn't mean you can credit it as a X% chance. That is a gross misuse of a statistic. That is just awful work. It doesn't take into account anything at all, and ignores literally everything. I can't even respond adequately to that. You can take his career rate if you prefer, I included that too. Anyway, the point is not that you can exactly say what percent of a chance that De Aza gets to second, merely that it's not clearly a stupid decision for him to bunt. QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Jun 24, 2014 -> 10:22 AM) De Aza is 3 for 6 in successful bunts this year, but he's at 39% for his career. I think that number is far more stable. Also, the .128 of his Iso just indicates how many extra bases he has as a ratio. His XBH% this year is at 7.5% 6.7%. I included the 39% separately. And whoops. Only further backs up my point though.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jun 24, 2014 -> 09:52 AM) According to that it doesn't differentiate anything. It categories it all the same, which means it really doesn't recognize it. The second part about Viciedo is not relevant, as Viciedo wasn't even being talked about. The rest if baseball 101. With two outs, you are looking for an extra basehit to get into scoring position, so it only takes one additional hit to get him in. With a bunt single, you need most likely need two more hits to score De Aza. If you want to go the SB route, De Aza is a 71% basestealer for his career, and for this year. That is a below optimal number. That doesn't count the significant outs of his running into an out on the bases, as he has made a habit of during his career. Again, it mostly boils down to De Aza is a stupid baseball player, that hurts his teams in ways stats aren't picking up. Eh? It does recognise it. As for the bunt, De Aza has got a base hit on 50% of the bunts he's attempted this year, and that's after the bunt out. If we take it as a 50% chance he bunts for a hit and a 70% chance he steals a base, that's a 35% chance he gets to second base. Even if we take his career bunt-for-hit rate of 39%, that's a 27% he ends up at 2nd. De Aza's ISO this year is .128, so 12.8% of the time he gets an extra base hit. Therefore, he made the smart play, by quite a long way.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jun 24, 2014 -> 09:00 AM) Where does bunting with two outs in the ninth down a run when you need an extra base hit show up in the stats? Where does throwing to the wrong base show up in the stats? ... QUOTE (Feeky Magee @ Jun 24, 2014 -> 07:38 AM) It shows up in his defensive WAR, a part of UZR is ARM which measures how many times runners advance bases on fly balls, singles etc. What was that wrong with the bunt? They were one run down, he's shown he can bunt for a base hit, he's shown he can steal bases. Why is that seen as incredibly stupid and Viciedo striking out the batter prior by swinging at absolutely everything is not?

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jun 24, 2014 -> 08:31 AM) How? He has a very good opportunity to throw out a runner from short LF and holds onto it instead, worried more about Mauer tagging from 2B to get to 3rd. I'm 99% sure that ended up being the winning run in that game, actually. So who is making the determination that his defensive rating will suffer or not based on that play? Or bunting at the end of a game the other night...for another example. There are literally 100-125 examples that everyone who posts in the game threads in the last season and one half can recall from him specifically. It shows up in his defensive WAR, a part of UZR is ARM which measures how many times runners advance bases on fly balls, singles etc. What was that wrong with the bunt? They were one run down, he's shown he can bunt for a base hit, he's shown he can steal bases. Why is that seen as incredibly stupid and Viciedo striking out the batter prior by swinging at absolutely everything is not?

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jun 24, 2014 -> 08:28 AM) Here's another one, RC/27. 18. Abreu 37. Dunn 79. Ramirez 108. Eaton 139. Viciedo 146. De Aza 167. LAST If you trade De Aza, you're just going to get salary relief, MAYBE. Viciedo at least gets you back SOMETHING, like an Ackley or Smoak or Domonic Brown, another team's change of scenery candidate. And how many of those runs did Viciedo give back via his defence and his baserunning?

I'll be glad when he signs, a bit because he's really important for the future, but mostly so I don't have to see Boras spelled as Bor-ASS ever again. (until free agency)

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jun 24, 2014 -> 08:19 AM) 90% of the things we hate about DeAza aren't showing up statistically...brain cramps in the outfield, throws that are mysteriously not made, defensive misplays that are not ruled as errors, base-running issues, etc. He's just not a fundamentally-attuned player...for example, bunting at the end of game the other night. Giving DeAza one more year at age 31 just means we have another declining veteran player whose example we don't want the youngsters to emulate. How many times when we need to advance a runner does Alejandro seem like he's giving himself up or trying to either pull the ball or go with it depending on the circumstances? How many times have we referred to him as "smart" or "heady," like an AJ or Jose Valentin out on the field? At best, DeAza is a 4th outfielder on a really good team moving forward, and plays only against RHP. At worst...well, we've seen it for the first half of this season. He's also no longer as much of a threat as he used to be on the basepaths. We might end up dumping both DeAza and Viciedo. There's no doubt with the lack of power in the major leagues today that Dayan will get at least 2 more chances with other organizations to fulfill his promise, if not three. For DeAza, he's much closer to the 4th/5th outfielder or AAAA player than a contributor or part of a contending future White Sox team. Newsflash, those do show up statistically.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jun 24, 2014 -> 08:11 AM) Eaton needs to be a 750ish OPS guy to have the type of major impact we need in the leadoff spot. He's at 703 this season, and 705 for his entire major league career. However, in five minor league seasons, he was at 949. We're not going to get a 900 type of player, but we expected 750-825. Adam needs to be more of a threat on the basepaths as well as cleaning up some of his throws in the outfield...sometimes he hesitates or peers in for a step before throwing, and his throws have been pretty inconsistent, but the main positives he brings are his speed/hustle/attitude, not his arm. Plus, we desperately need a leader on this team (among the position players), and Eaton's the best candidate since Abreu's the "strong and silent follow my example" type, much like Konerko. Forget OPS. It's all about the wRC+.

If the Sox don't get another outfielder via trade, I'd keep De Aza over Viciedo. Reasons being: 1) De Aza has demonstrated he can be a better than league-average player with 3 straight 2+ WAR seasons. Even this year with a horrendous hitting start (fueled by a lot of bad luck), he sits at 0.0 WAR. 2) Viciedo is rocking a career WAR of 0.2, and his WAR for this season is -0.3, because when he doesn't hit, he's a liability. And his hitting is getting worse every year. 3) I don't think it's optimal to sell De Aza at this point. The horrendous hitting start means his numbers probably won't look as they usually do by the trading deadline. I think it's worth giving him one more year (again, assuming the other choice is Viciedo and not a new outfielder acquired via trade) and hoping his numbers look more like they usually do and trading him then. The arguments against this would be a) he'll earn more than Viciedo and b) it's not like he's going to bring in a haul next year anyway even with regular numbers, but I'd still do it.

Adams has settled down since his rough 1st and retired 6 of 7 with 1 walk and 4 strikeouts EDIT: The box score has changed, now has Adams as coming out after 2 innings. So 2.0 IP, 4H, 2ER, 0BB, 2K

Moises not exactly hitting his way into the lineup. wRC+ of 18 on the year now. 325th of 327 of hitters with 100+ PA.

QUOTE (Chilihead90 @ Jun 23, 2014 -> 08:25 PM) My god, Nelson Cruz was running like Bartolo Colon out there. I thought he was drifting with the ball the whole time, and he was apparently sprinting. LOL. My god, where was he playing, CF?!

Quality start

Beckham putting on a nice show in front of a potential trade partner

lol how are we winning this game

QUOTE (Feeky Magee @ Jun 23, 2014 -> 06:22 PM) Gillaspie playing in has cost us so many hits this year. Stop it. WHY