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QUOTE(SoxFan1 @ Jul 27, 2005 -> 06:34 AM) VERY good news. A healthy Luol and a healthy Eddy propel the Bulls to the EC Finals last year IMO. BWAHAHAHA. Not according to Dr. Shaq and Mr. Wade.

QUOTE(SoxFan1 @ Jul 27, 2005 -> 07:30 AM) 1) Dont count on us giving you our 2 top prospects. If McCarthy is dealt, it would probably be for Burnett. 2) Glad you enjoyed your visit to the Cell. So would you rather give up your 2 top prospects for a 2 month + playoffs rental in Burnett (if he doesn't want to re-sign for us), or a guy in Overbay who could contribute for the next 5 to 10 seasons?

QUOTE(Dick Allen @ Jul 27, 2005 -> 07:27 AM) With Overbay's production, and the fact he makes less than $500,000 a year and isn't eligible for arbitration until after next season, he is going to cost a lot in terms of players to acquire. Hence why I've suggested Chad Tracy would be a better target, as he's younger, plus Arizona still has that dire need for pitching. You'd probably have to give up more to get Overbay then you would Tracy.

QUOTE(AddisonStSox @ Jul 27, 2005 -> 01:08 AM) Again, another situation where Kenny is really in the catbird's seat. If he plays his cards right, he may wait...and wait...and wait...and wait until he finds the Reds in a very desperate condition, wanting to rid themselves of Griffey in a major way. Now, if I was the Reds, there is no way I'm trading Griffey at the deadline unless I'm blown away. The guy remains the only draw in Cincy, he seems to be getting things back on track and...if for no other reason, he's Ken Fricking Griffey. If you're Dan O' Brien do you trade Adam Dunn before Ken Griffey Jr.?

QUOTE(RockRaines @ Jul 27, 2005 -> 12:54 AM) I think he is better defensively, I dont care what Griffey was, A-row picks up his teammates and has been gold glove caliber this year. And he is the man in the clubhouse and is a work-a-holic, which is the opposite of Griffey who is known to be lazy. No thanks Does Rowand's defensive capabilities and good clubhouse ethic outweigh Griffey's LHB however? Contract wise, puts the edge in Rowand's corner in my mind.

QUOTE(AnthraxFan93 @ Jul 26, 2005 -> 11:25 PM) 1. I know, I said theat Keep Dye as the DH, and it looks like Jose is as good as gone from this team.. WE are going to have to look to otherway to grab Overbay.. Tracy is not an option..maybe as a back-up but not everyday..He losing playing time to Tony fa-king Clark.. And this is your "replacement" .. no thanks 2. Of course some team will offer him more money, don't you know our BS stick when it comes to FA? Offer them less than everyone else than b****a nd complain to the media how we tried to give them the best deal..When in reality, the deal was flat out below market value. Thought you knew this already kid? 3. Maggs was a fan favorite here.. See how well we resigned him? What about Robin Ventura, was he not a fan favorite? What about him.. Wonder why we didn't resign him? This has nothing to do with teams resigning a player. About his bat speed I am not say sign this guy to a 7-year deal.. another 2 year deal. We have 3 OF.. Thats great who DH? We already know who I want.. And lastly if hitting .299/10/54 in a pitchers park is signs of slowing down.. PLease explain why Frank should still be a member of the white sox becuase his number are far worse. 4. Here we go again, Why is it everytime we try and have a vaild converstion where you learn something you have to bring up OC? I know we all wanted a Great starting SS such as OC.. and got the short end of the stick.. But let it go..KW knows he f***ed up hense why trying to trade for Omar or another SS.. :banghead .. And still you have managed to sidetrack the question.. as of right now who would you rahter have Oritz or Wright in the rotation as of July 26, 2005? Not at the end of the year right now 4b. The angels have stated that they are not resigning him, they have Santana and Escobar. to round out the top of the Rotation with Colon. Washburn will not resign with them 1 - You don't think Chad Tracy is good enough to be a starting 1B in this league? BWAHAHAHAHAHA. Have a look at my sig and his stats for this season. Tony Clark is hitting over .325 and has 15 home runs Don't you think Arizona would play him then? Tracy almost plays every - day anyway as he can play 1B, 3B and any OF spot. He's better than your Aubrey Huff solution. 2 - Ok so when we're not offering insane contracts to the likes of Maggilo Ordonez on 1 knee, we should all be so disappointed. KW spread the money around with the players in the off-season and the benefits have been shown. Alex Gonzalez is more likely anyway because he's an Ozzie favorite. 3 - Frank has been back in the majors for what a month? You didn't automatically expect for him to be hitting over .300 with 30 HR's this season did you? Have a look at his stats when he comes back from a major injury. Giles is probably looking for more security than a 2 year deal, and he'll probably get it. Atlanta's a good bet to get him considering his brother plays there. And of course if we re-sign Maggs, say goodbye Pierzynski, goodbye Iguchi, goodbye Hermason, goodbye Dye. 4a - Show me why OC is a great starting SS, when all Angels fans wish they never signed him (and the he's a good 2nd half hitter for $8M a season dosn't count). Of course if we re-signed Maggs, signed Cabrera and Derek Lowe, imagine what our payroll and team make - up would be like. At his best Jaret Wright is better than Russ Ortiz. Have a look at their contracts. There's more than how a guy is doing right now compared to someone else. And let's see here, Ortiz with the 5.88 ERA, oh yeah he's good. 4b - Can you show me where the Angels have said they won't be re-signing him. Paul Byrd's deal runs out at the end of the season. Right now you have Colon, Washburn, Lackey, Byrd and Santana. It's more likely Byrd leaves as a FA before Washburn because Jarrod is their only LHP in the rotation.

QUOTE(AnthraxFan93 @ Jul 26, 2005 -> 11:28 PM) This is the guy we should be going after.. and Not Burnett.. Changed bandwagon's have we?

Ok here we go;

Pretty sure it's been mentioned Huff has declining bat speed, hence the lack of home runs (even though he has 6 this month). Like Mike said, Chuck LaMar is an idiot when it comes to trades, so don't expect anything to happen.

QUOTE(SoxFan101 @ Jul 26, 2005 -> 05:23 PM) I dont hate Konerko as a 4-6 million guy... but right now he makes 8 million and in the off-season he is going to get more and he just isnt worth that much money for what he gives. The problem is, can we rely on a Ross Gload / Casey Rogowski platoon for next season?

QUOTE(SoxFan101 @ Jul 26, 2005 -> 04:15 PM) Alex Smith was way overated... while the overall draft wasnt that bad in terms of the 1st overall pick there wasnt really any good one in this draft. Exactly, 49ers were desperate to trade down , no-one took the bait. A team like the Cowboys who had 2 1st rounders at 11 and 20 were in perfect position.

Like I said before, Scott Hatteberg or Paul Konerko. Pick your poison.

QUOTE(YASNY @ Jul 26, 2005 -> 03:39 PM) The point about the Cenral's weak hitting can be a result of the overall strong pitching within the division, as these teams play each other 18 or 19 times. Or ... is the pitching that good because of the weak hitting? I think we're seeing teams in the Central starting to heat up with the bats as well. Detroit gets Maggs back, that changes their whole line-up, and they also put Curtis Granderson in CF instead of Nook Logan. Cleveland turned it around, although they've been scuffling a little lately. The Sox bats are starting to score more runs consistently, we're seeing our team put up 5 or 6 runs a game more than the 2 or 3 we had at the start of the year. But make no mistake, this division has some damn good pitching. The Indians, White Sox and Twins all have good rotations, Detroit has Bonderman, Robertson and Johnson who have pitched well, while the Royals ahhhh..... not so good.

QUOTE(bulokis @ Jul 26, 2005 -> 01:57 PM) I dont know why but I really do not want to give Bmac especially for a half a year of Burnett. If we can get Burnett with Jose contreras I would do it. That's pretty much how I feel, even though I think Contreras is very underrated (especially around here). If Burnett's not going to stick around, we're probably gonna regret losing McCarthy in a few years.

If anything the Hawks need a first line center, not a 2nd line RW like Tony Amonte.

QUOTE(Rowand44 @ Jul 26, 2005 -> 02:50 PM) I highly doubt Young or Bmac would be included in a deal for Eyre. Schimdt though is an entirely different story. I wouldn't give up Young period. B-Mac I don't really want to give up either, but if it's for Schmidt or Burnett, KW's prob gonna pull the trigger. Brian Anderson is a guy SF would like though, considering they have Marquis Grissom and Ellison patrolling CF at the moment. I can definitely see him being included into an expanded Schmidt / Vizquel / Eyre or at least 2 of those parts.

Oh boy, Chris Young mentioned, that's not going to please a lot of people. I'd love Eyre, if we need another LHP, but I don't want to give up a Young or B-Mac for him.

QUOTE(Rowand44 @ Jul 26, 2005 -> 02:37 PM) Thought I'd bump this. Per Bruce Levine, Kenny and 3 other scouts were in attendance at wrigley today to watch Schmidt pitch. I didn't watch the game but by numbers he was quite impressive. EDIT: I have no clue why I quoted my old post. Here we go;

The fact is, unless the Reds pay some of Griffey's deferred deal which goes until 2024, the Sox won't be trading for him anytime soon. Everett seems fine as the everyday DH, if Lowell's acquired in the Burnett, well there's your other DH guy.

QUOTE(AnthraxFan93 @ Jul 26, 2005 -> 03:23 AM) 1. So we agree.. Dye would need to go..Actaully with Thomas's health in question he would fill in nicely as a DH/4thOF 2. Again you have to pay money for a starting SS.. We didn't now we are getting burned for it. He will hit 9th great range canon for an arm, and can hit as well..Will have less pressure hitting in the 9th slot as well. 3. Nady stays in the OF, They move RK to first who is a better 1b than LF.. which is not saying much. That leaves the quesiton of Guzman. Its kind of hard for him to hop into the field this year.. I didn't know until now that he was injuried..This might make things a bit of diffcult. But, I have total faith that KW will get it done. 4. I should say the same about you when I mention the offseason I get references to OC.. And again since it seems your a tad bit slow in this issue.. Looking at it now who would you rather have Wright or Ortiz? 4B. I am not 100% sold on garland yet, I also love the L R L R matchups in a rotation. Also it helps that he is 0-1 with a 1.80 ERA this season VS OAK..We need all the help we can get when it comes to them! 1 - But we still can't trade for Lyle Overbay in a package that includes Jermaine Dye. You could trade Dye and Contreras in a mega deal revolving around Chad Tracy however......... 2 - All I'm saying is that Furcal would probably rather go to a team where he can be a leadoff hitter, and some team will offer him more money than us. 3 - Giles is a fan favorite in San Diego, and even if the Padres can't resign him, I think some other team who need a corner OF will offer him a better deal before us, considering we have 3 capable OF's already and 1 in waiting in Brian Anderson. Giles' bat speed is slowing down as well BTW. 4 - Let's see here, the Yanks can void Wright's contract since he's been on the DL for a set amount of time IIRC. So in essence, I'd take Wright, because you wouldn't want to be stuck with Russ Ortiz for around $25 million for the next 3 seasons. And do you think Anaheim wishes they never signed Cabrera now when they have Maicer Izturis hitting over .300? 4B - I don't take much stock into how Washburn's done against 1 team this season. The fact is the Angels won't be dealing him this off-season, they need good SP in the worst way, and they will be keeping him before we have any chance of getting him.

That's probably the 1st time this season Gio's had more BB's than K's in an outing.

Since Philly's in the race, can't see them dealing Wagner, especially since Urbina has struggled mightily at Citizens. I think Contreras could be used in a trade with Arizona however for one of their 1B guys like Chad Tracy, but the Sox would have to throw in a prospect or 2.

QUOTE(Jeckle2000 @ Jul 26, 2005 -> 12:29 PM) If Garcia is out there for the 7th then Ozzie should be tarred and feathered... he doesn't have his good stuff, you got 6 innings out of him, we're even winning... JUST GET HIM THE HECK OUT OF THERE! CALM DOWN. WE ARE WINNING.

QUOTE(AnthraxFan93 @ Jul 25, 2005 -> 11:21 PM) 1. They say that now, but things change...Just like Lee last year was untradeable..The Dye part of the deal.. WE need to get rid of him in order to make room for Giles who better fits this team. 2. Read the whole post.. He hits 9th to take the spot of the loved Uribe :rolly. Lets see if Uribe is worth about 4 mil a year then you have to figure 6-7mil for a better player.. I am sure you will disagree, becuase why pay for good players right? But its to early to see what the market price is for STARTING SS 3. Again this is a question that is to early to answer in regards to the money part of it. THe pads have Nady and Guzman in the wings waiting..I don't think they are looking to keep to much in regards to OF payroll. 4. And when I made the same defense in regards to OH, I got ripped on...No your right lets try and trade for Jarret Wright he fits in here much better :rolly 1 - Ok so we need to get rid of Dye, but Milwaulkee DOESN'T WANT DYE!!! 2 - Considering the contracts Crisitan Guzman and Orlando Cabrera got this past off-season, I'm thinking Furcal is gonna get more than that, especially with a team that really needs a leadoff hitter and has a vacancy at SS. 3 - Nady is going to take over at first base for Nevin. Guzman hasn't played at all this season, he's not going to jump straight into the bigs. They are wanna going to keep that team up on top in that division. 4 - When did I say anything about Jaret Wright? That just seems to be your excuse for anything regarding a pitcher (cough... Russ Ortiz... cough). Hernandez cost $8 million over 2 years, Washburn is going to get more than that. And why would you have him ahead of JG in our rotation when Garland is a 15 game winner? Washburn's ERA at home, 4.75.

QUOTE(AnthraxFan93 @ Jul 25, 2005 -> 07:10 AM) Well since everyone seems to want to be the GM.. Why not listem to the man of reason .. And who else to bring it to you straight than well ME.. Well after 4 years of giving away our farm system for below avg MLB players KW finally realized that this is not the best way to keep one of the easiest jobs in baseball. So finally after JR hired Ozzie, and Ozzie spoke his Mouth KW finally changed the makeup and I give you the 2005 white sox. But with that being said we are pretty much set as a team. KW with his many many failures finally realized that you can not give up the farm.. Who says you can't teach an old dog new tricks, someone needed to give him my number 3 years ago..We as fans would have been seeing this type team since 03..Other than a RP we are not going after anyone big. It doesn't make any sense, granted we are close to the big pitcure..but, we are missingabout 2-3 pieces that we cannot get till this offseason. These past couple of series against Oak and Boston further proving that we are close but don't have enough to win against the playoff teams. So here is by far the best plan to compete for the crown C- Resign AJ to a 3 year deal, This is by far one of KW best moves in actually doing his job and proving us wrong for the first time in years.. AJ, should get rewarded. 1B- Well here is where most will disagree because of your love of Pauly, But he is not the answer by any means, So this offseason we trade off Contreas and Dye to Milwaukee For Lyle Overbay and a minor leaguer.. OverBay is what we need at this postion. Very good D, hits for contact. When you see the lineup you will understand where he fits 2B- Iguchi, he needs an exentsion.. AS I stated when I first started on this board, I belived that this is what we needed to secure this postion. ANd so far he is everthing that I knew he would be. SS- This is a postion that I stated in the offseason we needed to bring in another options, that Uribe was not the answer here. But, leave it to KW aftere failing to secure the postion to overpay for a UTL player in Uribe. So this offseason, we need to finallize this postion for the next 4-5 years with someone who is an everyday SS, that is Rafel Furcal. He fits exactly everything we are looking for out of a SS. 3B- Crede, He stays.. His D is way to valueable, I was wrong to think that Uribe could just take over.. LF- POds.. I don't think I have to explain on why he needs to stay or why he should get an extension CF- Rowand.. Already signed and very good just needs to get over that hump.. and he will no worries RF- With Dye gone we need a replacement, and the best option is Brain Giles, an LHB RF with speed. Granted over the years Giles speed isn't what it once was but enough to grant him a Spot in RF DH- Here is where it gets tricky. I love Frank and want to see him retire a Sox..But not at the money he is making.. We have to make damn sure that he is healthy..But evern still if he is anything more than 4 mil a year is way to much for 1 dimental player. SP Marky and freddy are signed for a while no need to mess with this duo Garland..Sign a 2 year deal, I am not sold on his sucess this season..But I have been known to be wrong every once in a while Now onto starter # 4 There is only 1 option that makes sense that fits what it is what we are looking for.. Jarrod Washburn, Angels have stated that they are not going to resign, he fits what it is that we would need.. And leave ElDque as our #5 this leave us to skip some if his starts to help him not miss to many starts when we need him So here is the lineups going into next year LF- Scott Pods 2b- Iguchi RF- Giles DH Thomas 1b OverBay CF Rowand C Aj 3b Crede SS Furcal 1- Marky B 2. Garcia 3. Washburn 4 Garland 5. Hernandez 1 - Milwaulkee is not going to trade Overbay for the sake of trading Overbay. They will NOT want Jermaine Dye, they already have Carlos Lee, Geoff Jenkins and Brady Clark in the outfield. If they don't get an offer they like with Overybay, they'll just give Fielder a couple of games a week to ease him in to the majors. 2 - Where do you hit Furcal in the lineup? How much money do you give to a guy over 4 to 5 seasons who has a .318 OBP for a leadoff hitter? 3 - How much do you give Brian Giles, and don't you think the Padres will re-sign him now considering they want to get rid of Phil Nevin? 4 - Washburn is a flyball pitcher. His stats at the Cell would be worse than Jose Contreras this season. He has a BAA of .283, Contreras has something like .230.