Bananarchy

QUOTE (SCCWS @ Jul 23, 2016 -> 08:51 AM) If Olney was correct and Sox already turned down a "King's Ransom" for Sale, then he will not be traded regardless of offer. I agree w that strategy. If the offers escalate as the deadline approaches, it could get to the point where Hahn has to move one of Sale or Q for the future of the organization.

QUOTE (hi8is @ Jul 23, 2016 -> 12:55 AM) My shiny new signature is better than yours and says it all... But seriously: what's wrong with saying poop?

QUOTE (SoxAce @ Jul 23, 2016 -> 08:37 AM) How in the hell did Versteeg not land an NHL job? There are much worse players in the league than him, despite his flaws as a player. I'm inclined to feel the same way. Confused for sure. Maybe it's just his price? I can't believe it's much. QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Jul 22, 2016 -> 11:02 AM) I like your new avatar. Thanks! I appreciate it.

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Jul 23, 2016 -> 08:08 AM) The problem is there aren't anywhere close to 20 teams that can provide us with what we need in a Sale trade. In fact, there are only a handful of teams and most of them are currently in a playoff race. In all honestly, now is the time to deal both Sale & Quintana, but I won't be upset if they wait until the offseason to move one of these guys. You know that, I know that, the White Sox know that, but even if there are 10 teams that want and can't land Sale, they drive up the price for the teams that can afford him.

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Jul 22, 2016 -> 11:00 PM) There's no question in my mind the Red Sox are the best fit for Sale, because you don't have to get a piece off their major league roster. Moncada, Benintendi, Devers, & Kopech is an incredible start. Throw in a couple more B-level prospects and you have a deal too good to pass up. The idea of doing that PLUS a deal involving Q is instantly a giant step ahead for an organization.

QUOTE (fathom @ Jul 22, 2016 -> 10:53 PM) Again, Hahn said in the offseason something along the lines of that you would hate to see someone you trade to the Cubs end up flourishing there. You would hate to see any player you trade to any team end up flourishing there.

QUOTE (Rowand44 @ Jul 22, 2016 -> 10:47 PM) I mean, Russell isn't Correa and Bryant isn't a "starting point" for Sale as he's one of the guys in baseball that's more valuable than Chris. I don't know why we have to go so far in either direction discussing a deal. I just wish we could discuss the Cubs as though they played in Spokane, because in reality they're just another team with assets they could stand to move. You wouldn't ask the Angels for Trout, you wouldn't ask the Astros for Altuve. For the same reason, you don't ask the Cubs for Bryant. It's just not productive, as no team would reasonably trade those two guys.

QUOTE (soxfan85 @ Jul 22, 2016 -> 10:40 PM) LOL!! You leave the "stupid" out of the discussion please. LOL!! He's that valuable to the Cubs organization and looks like a great player. Now, if you'll let the adults talk... PS: your idiotic avatar is a joke.

QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Jul 22, 2016 -> 10:33 PM) Injured DH missing his sophomore season after a downward trend to his rookie year for a HOF pitcher? Yeah, starts with one of the untouchables. You don't get an untouchable star like Sale. for an injured DH. Bryant is a non-starter as he's better than Sale. As far as Russell, that's like asking Houston to part with Correa. He's 22 and improving. He's not going anywhere. Schwarber, Baez, Contreras is more than enough to cover Sale. QUOTE (fathom @ Jul 22, 2016 -> 10:33 PM) Exactly, someone like Schwarber would be harder to mess up, IMO. Doesn't matter, don't think Cubs would consider dealing Schwarber or Russell. They definitely won't because the Cubs value Russell and Schwarber too much.

QUOTE (fathom @ Jul 22, 2016 -> 10:31 PM) He's the type of hitter though I'm not sure the Sox would help make adjustments during the early part of his career. A White Sox org flaw, not a Russell one.

QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Jul 22, 2016 -> 10:24 PM) Eh, I'd say Bryant. Russell is one of the most overrated players in baseball IMO, and he hasn't done anything to convince me that he'll live up to his potential He's 22 and a 2 WAR player through half a season. Leave the stupid out of this discussion, please. It's not sexy, but Russell is off to a ridiculous start. And Bryant is more valuable than Sale, period.

QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Jul 22, 2016 -> 10:22 PM) Lmao at Baez and Soler. Any Sale deal with the Cubs starts with Bryant or Russell. Again, Schwarber is likely a good piece. Bryant and Russell are nearly untouchable. This is a stupid discussion. The Cubs and White Sox couldn't agree on the value of Chris Sale.

QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Jul 22, 2016 -> 10:10 PM) The bad thing about trading just one of our aces for MLB ready bats is that, great, offense should be better, but now you have a horrible rotation I have way more faith in this organization drafting pitchers than I do in them drafting positional talent. You're immediately writing off two highly sought after guys in Fulmer and Rodon, which is possible, but they're both so young.

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Jul 22, 2016 -> 09:54 PM) Well, I will 100% disagree with you here. Do you remember how long it took a chunk of our fanbase to get over the White Flag trade? You think most Sox fans would be cool with watching Sale help the Cubs win their first World Series in a 100+ years? Sure, some of the more sophisticated fans on this board would be ok with it, but Bob from Bridgeport ain't going to be happy and may never be able to forgive this ownership group. As much as it theoretically shouldn't matter, it would be the equivalent of the Red Sox selling Babe Ruth to the Yankees for a piano. And don't doubt for a second that Reinsdorf, Hahn, & KW aren't aware of this. That's not to say they wouldn't trade with the Cubs, but they definitely won't be trading the face of the franchise to them in one of the most important deals in team history. Bob from Bridgeport gave up on the White Sox two seasons ago. no one is going and no one is watching. Stop worrying about Bob from Bridgeport. Bob from Bridgeport is going to watch if the White Sox win. that's it. Who gives a f*** about most "Sox fans"? They're already watching the Bears. They care about the bottom line, and that is winning. This team isn't winning. And as far as Hahn goes, stop living in fantasy land. The Sox don't want the Cubs to win the World Series because that means the White Sox can't win the world series. That's all. Hahn's business is to make the White Sox better, whatever the cost. If he cares about the Cubs, he should be fired.

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Jul 22, 2016 -> 09:36 PM) I'd need another high-end prospect like Torres or Jimenez plus a B spect or two. Unfortunately, any deal with the Cubs is a pipe dream as our front office helping them win a World Series would be seen as an betrayal by a large chunk of our fanbase. Our front office doesn't give a f*** about the Cubs. Our fanbase shouldn't care, either. And if there's one thing we have all learned, the baseball operations group cares little what "the fanbase" thinks. They know when the team in the black pinstripes wins, the seats get filled. It's not much harder than that.

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Jul 22, 2016 -> 09:31 PM) Come on man, Bryant is arguably a more valuable asset than Sale. I really hope the Sox's demands aren't that outrageous or we're going to miss out on a huge opportunity here. Bryant is almost certainly a more valuable asset than Sale. A top five player in the game. 4th in WAR. He's not a part of a Sale trade. QUOTE (EvilJester99 @ Jul 22, 2016 -> 09:33 PM) The Sox demands better be pretty damn outrageous though.. Sale is one of the best pitchers in the game. Bryant is arguably a better player than Chris Sale is a pitcher. Sale is a top four pitcher. Bryant is a top five player

QUOTE (SouthSideSale @ Jul 22, 2016 -> 09:17 PM) Sorry Cubbies. It starts with Bryant. I would take Schwarber, Contreras, and Baez. I don't necessarily need Bryant.

QUOTE (ptatc @ Jul 22, 2016 -> 09:01 PM) Overpay? I thought they were too cheap. I get so confused and whiplash as well reading posts. I have never called the White Sox cheap. The reason the White Sox could survive a rebuild is when they find a good player, management can do what's necessary to keep him.

When your team has been bad for essentially 8 years, there's not a lot of room for positivity, I'm sorry I'm not sorry. A number of us have said this for a while: This modus operandi isn't going to work. If we can't develop our own players, we're sunk. It's no longer pessimism, it's just being realistic.

QUOTE (SouthSideSale @ Jul 22, 2016 -> 08:56 PM) When Lawrie is back. Put Saladino in the field and DH Abreu. I quit watching that clown fest. I'll get interested when they start moving players out Agreed. Give me young and bad over this.

QUOTE (EvilJester99 @ Jul 22, 2016 -> 08:41 PM) I get the feeling Hahn wants to but KW never wants to not compete.. KW always wants to compete. He caught lightning in a bottle in 2005 and now assumes the way to win is overpay talent other teams don't want. It's not that he lacks TWTW, it's that he's completely misguided.

QUOTE (daggins @ Jul 22, 2016 -> 08:35 PM) If the Sox trade Sale I might have to devise some crazy physics experiment to check if i'm still in the same reality as I was before the trade. If the Sox trade Sale, it means Hahn and Williams have finally entered the same reality we're in.

QUOTE (SouthSideSale @ Jul 22, 2016 -> 08:25 PM) For Q no question IMO. I'd be beyond stunned if they moved Sale. If they did, it'd be great for us because that means we're getting someone like Correa. Agreed. The more I think about it, I'm okay with moving Q but a little bit hesitant on Sale. I'm glad we're hearing a lot about selling-type moves.

QUOTE (SouthSideSale @ Jul 22, 2016 -> 08:22 PM) It's crazy now. We just can't hear the conversations. There's a really good chance Hahn gets an offer he really likes for either Sale or Q. These contenders are all chomping at the bit