Flash Tizzle

QUOTE(mr_genius @ Mar 27, 2007 -> 05:04 PM) i don't think anyone is saying that. Floyd was the 35th best prospect in 2005. And he's not anymore. It's obvious from his arm and his statistics. Those 2005 rankings were based upon his 2004 numbers in A,AA.

QUOTE(Beltin @ Mar 27, 2007 -> 04:49 PM) What is the age difference between the two? How many years left on JJ's contract? What is the annual salary? I could look up myself but am too lazy. Just curious if we are really comparing two apples here. Jennings: 28 Garcia: 30 Jennings' salary: $5.5 million Garcia's salary: $8mllion Both have one year remaining on their respective contracts. I still hardly believe the differences between the two packages are justified. This is completely ignoring the history of both players, and the success Garcia had as recent as October 2005.

QUOTE(mr_genius @ Mar 27, 2007 -> 04:15 PM) Yes, there is that much of a difference. Also, you know what, Colorado made a great trade. KW wanted to get rid of Garcia (good move) and this is the most he could get. You really think he got better offers and turned them down ? That an old pitcher that has lost atleast 8 mph off his fastball that is at the end of his contract, and most likely career, is going to fetch a ton of top prospects from a team? Garcia is gone, get over it. Any time you trade for prospects there is a chance they won't work out. There is also a chance they will. Jason Jennings: 212IP, 206H, 17HR, 85BB, 142SO, .258 BAA, 3.78ERA Freddy Garcia: 216IP, 228H, 32HR, 48BB, 135SO, .267 BAA, 4.53ERA One obvious difference between the two is Garcia gave up 15 more HR's. But then again, he gave up 37 less walks in four more innings pitched. All in the American League. In the toughest division in baseball. Is there really that much of a difference between Garcia and Jennings that Colorado receiving the #46 rated prospect in Hirsh (according to BP), a bullpen arm in Tyler Bucholz (good arm/mediocre results in minors), and a major league OF in Willy Tavares should exceed Gio Gonzalez (good arm/fair results) and Gavin Floyd (medicore arm/poor results)? Hell no. Admit it. I've never said other teams could have thrown more at Williams. Just look at Philadelphia. I've already provided a quote within a Rosenthal article stating their baseball officials were shocked at our price. People just will continue to dismiss it, obviously. Asking for Gonzalez doesn't bother me. It's just that lumbering pile of crap in Floyd. Remove him, add Fabio Castro and an additional arm, the White Sox have potential within the deal and an arm (Castro) who could be plugged into the bullpen. If not, stretch him out for the rotation in AAA.

QUOTE(The Critic @ Mar 27, 2007 -> 04:09 PM) Hawk is closing in on Dusty Baker territory with the excuses he's making for the team. What's really irritating is I recall Hawk mentioning at the beginning of Spring Training, when we started off just as poorly as previous years, that its only near the end of Spring Training when teams put themselves together. Now he's changing his mind? Cmon. This is when it becomes unbearable to watch the game. Don't make excuses when things go bad. Just say it -- we're not ready. We look BAD.

QUOTE(striker62704 @ Mar 27, 2007 -> 04:10 PM) I think I'm going to sit this season out. Our starters and relievers suck. Our "flamethrowing" bullpen tops out at 92mph, from what I've seen. I noticed this as well. Why exactly are MacDougal and Sisco failing to top 92 mph with under a week left until the season begins? If their not going to be ready, perhaps in future season our pitchers -- from Garland to Jenks -- should begin earlier. We absolutely cannot start slow out of the gate.

QUOTE(mr_genius @ Mar 27, 2007 -> 03:56 PM) Flash, you are under the false impression that Garcia had high trade value. I'm really tired of going over this issue. It's not you specifically, but everyone else who says something similar. It... doesn't... matter...how he's faring right now. Whether he never pitches another game or not, the fact is when he was traded -- we could and should have received more. Explain this to me -- is the difference between Freddy Garcia and Jason Jennings really enough to justify the large gap between the two deals? No. Colorado received exactly what we should have -- a generous return package. That was because the nature of the market overvalued mediocre pitchers. Williams didn't take advantage of it. This is really becoming embarrassing. We're unraveling.

QUOTE(GoSox05 @ Mar 27, 2007 -> 03:00 PM) I don't think Floyd is ever gonna be ready. Yet, somehow, the White Sox noticed something in him. He just isn't very good. Williams and certain scouts should come forward and explain themselves because his addition to our ballclub has been a question from day one. If we don't learn from this, shame on us. Maybe we'll begin to look for legitimate players in future trades and not pitchers based around the belief that "Coop will fix em'" Sure, you can do that seperately ; just don't associate this philosophy with deals where the key goal should be receiving the most talent in return.

I'm about to pull my hair out listening to Hawk/DJ talking about Dustin Moseley as if he's going to contend with Loe for a Cy Young. This guy is a f***ing scrub. Look at his statistics on baseball cube -- ee's been at AAA for three years.

QUOTE(Greg The Bull Luzinski @ Mar 27, 2007 -> 08:46 AM) These are question nobody has been able to answer for me. What does Ronnie do for a living? How does he afford to go to these games? On a separate note, I find most Cub fans even think he is a nuisance. I wouldn't be surprised if he's related to someone with a whole lot of money. He's been doing this for years, correct? Someone is paying for plane tickets (to appear at spring training), washing his jersey, feeding him, paying for his admittance, etc. Maybe it's just a generous soul with excess money to spend. Even then, he has to be living somewhere during the winter. Wherever this mysterious location resides it's somewhere close to Wrigley Field -- where living isn't exactly cheap. I don't believe many strangers would willingly pay room and board for someone who provides nothing to this planet other than a few strange sounds.

QUOTE(Kalapse @ Mar 26, 2007 -> 10:54 PM) Is it just me or has he been terrible behind the plate this spring? Is his arm really as bad as I think it is? I honestly don't recall Molina making any attempts to pick off runners. Probably since opposing teams run all over us and one successful stolen base after another blends together over time. According to the Tribune he's a "defensive specialist" renowned for working well with our pitchers. I suppose offense didn't factor into the decision. Especially considering Hall's key value to our ballclub was against lefties. Molina will just be another automatic out against tough divisional pitchers. Nothing new, there.

QUOTE(LVSoxFan @ Mar 26, 2007 -> 06:33 PM) Hey! I love that little audio snippet on the '05 DVD. Retarded? No. Sox-tarded? Yes. I'm just pointing out it's a bit premature to be writing off the entire season before it's even BEGUN... Not many have completely written off the season. Even though I believe we'll end up in third place, it's not out of the realm of possibility this current team reaches the playoffs. I'm as anxious as anyone for this season to begin.

It'd only be appropriate now if the final bullpen spots were given to Sisco, Aardsma and Floyd. That would about cap off an absolutely frustrating four weeks of spring training. QUOTE(Kalapse @ Mar 26, 2007 -> 06:04 PM) KW was interviewed on Comcast and said the backup catcher position will be filled internally. THE WIKI ERA BEGINS IN CHICAGO! I don't know why he'd say that. Did he not notice what the Brewers received for Brady Clark? How much could it possibly cost to get Miller?

QUOTE(Kalapse @ Mar 26, 2007 -> 06:10 PM) Farmer said "Get off the deck!!" which Boers and Bernstein later defined as "They were losing and now they're winning". I don't know if I buy any of it mainly because the phrase makes NO sense but that's what they said anyway. I believe the phrase "get off the deck" just means to quit being lackadaisical. When the Score began playing the soundbye after the Iguchi grandslam I initially thought Farmio was yelling at fans to get off the fan deck. Out of context, you have no idea what he's saying.

QUOTE(WSoxMatt @ Mar 26, 2007 -> 05:51 PM) If Hall thought he was at risk of getting hurt at 1B, Im sure he would have toild that to management and he would have not been playing 1st...But since Hall found no danger playing 1st, why would KW or OG...All of you just like to complain about Ozzie about anything...If your going to complain like little women, complain at Hall for thinking he could play 1st...Im pretty positive Guillen didnt put a gun to his head and tell him to play 1st base! That's so easy to say. Imagine this -- you're in a position, as a new guy, where the manager comes up and asks whether you're comfortable at first base. Even if you're not, do you think you'd risk looking bad by rejecting the request? Then teammates may say, "he's not a team player." The concern here, after Hall began fielding at 1B, was whether anyone noticed any trouble he may have been having. If there were obvious signs, Guillen absolutely has to be held accountable.

QUOTE(fathom @ Mar 26, 2007 -> 05:43 PM) It's the worst part of the home run call by Ed Farmer when Crede won the game against the Indians. I think he also said the same stupid line when Iguchi hit the slam to tie it against the Astros last year. It's just so annoying to me because I've rarely heard it used within a legitimate argument. Whether on talk radio or a message board. No one is on any ledge. When people use it, it's typically associated with a problem that's worth worrying about. Such as Hall's absence effecting our ballclub.

QUOTE(LVSoxFan @ Mar 26, 2007 -> 05:31 PM) I'm seeing the glass half-full here, people. Step off the ledge already. Please, never say that phrase again. It's the mating call of the baseball retarded.

QUOTE(Melissa1334 @ Mar 26, 2007 -> 04:57 PM) who will most likely be the back up, wiki or molina? bruce was saying molina... Those would be the two options from within the organization. If we're looking for the best backup catcher, we'll have to look outwards -- and it would probably be between Javy Lopez and Damian Miller. I'm just hoping, based on the return value for Brady Clark, we basically have to pay nothing for Miller.

QUOTE(Dick Allen @ Mar 26, 2007 -> 04:46 PM) Brady Clark just got traded for Elmer Dessens That's all it took? Too bad he would have had no place on our ballclub. If only we had Tracey. Hold onto him for a few more days and perhaps it would have been enough to land Damian Miller.

QUOTE(Kalapse @ Mar 26, 2007 -> 04:41 PM) He's played there a bit this spring and looked pretty bad early on in the game yesterday. Some of us aren't as optimistic about this team as you are, especially with the competition in the AL Central. I guess we could put off talking about the team until mid April but that would make for an incredibly boring forum and some pretty lame discussion. No, you'll probably have to wait longer than that. Especially if we're not doing well. Then we'll hear "it's only April," "divisions aren't won this early," "our schedule gets easier going forward," "Give them a chance -- they won a championship two seasons ago." Or, "they haven't hit their stride."

Looks like Vazquez calmed down after the third inning. 5.1IP, 7 hits, 3ER, 2 BB, 6 SO (2 against Cain) Final line isn't tremendous, but considering his past performances its a good sign. Unlike Buehrle yesterday and his 12 hit parade.

QUOTE(AWhiteSoxinNJ @ Mar 26, 2007 -> 03:43 PM) back up catchers are a dime a dozen. I'm sure KW can lure Javy Lopez here or a player like him. Its not as a big deal like losing Tads, Crede, Dye, etc. for the season. Too much overreaction for a back up who was marginal at best. Quality backup catchers such as Hall are sure as hell not a dime a dozen. The "overreaction" here is because of his value to our ballclub against divisional pitchers, an opportunity to substitute for Pierzynski when he tires, and because NO ONE is immediately available to replace him. Our depth at catching was two deep. If Iguchi or Crede goes down we do have options with utility infielders. Same with Dye, as Anderson or Sweeney could substitute. Now, the production in either case wouldn't be pretty, but it'd surely be better than having Wiki Gonzalez or replace Hall. Sure, go for Javy Lopez. Just remember the guys a turd and former steroid user.

QUOTE(fathom @ Mar 26, 2007 -> 03:33 PM) FWIW, there have been 3 more computer models that have run projections for the 2007 MLB standings. The highest White Sox record was 74-88 in the models, and they didn't make the playoffs one time out of the 1,000 times the projections were run. Look for these projections to be released in the next few days. From which websites/publication are these models associated with?

If anyone is looking for comedic relief Cotts is warming up for the Cubs right now on CSN.

God dammit Vazquez. We're only a week away from the season. 6 hits in 3.2 innings is entering Buehrle territory.

QUOTE(hitlesswonder @ Mar 26, 2007 -> 03:02 PM) I've suggested this elsewhere and people were unimpressed, but my solution to the backup cathcing situation is...Aaron Rowand. mlbtraderumors today posted that a trade was getting closer. You know Aaron would do anything for the team -- he'd get behind the plate and sacrifice his body to stop a Contreras forkball from becoming a wild pitch. Just imagine him running headlong into the backstop chasing a foul ball. It'd be awesome. I'm actually afraid after reading that post on MLBtraderumors. Nothing is definite, but just the fact Philadelphia is attempting to trade him if frightening. Please Williams, prove to me you realize Anderson is no worse of a solution than Rowand.