Flash Tizzle

QUOTE(beck72 @ Mar 30, 2007 -> 07:02 AM) For all the criticism about what the sox got for Freddy, esp in Floyd, I still like KW's ways about trying to improve the club. I'd much rather Williams take a few gambles on pitchers who have a big upside once in a while, than to go for the "safe" picks. Guys like McCulloch and Broadway are safe picks. Yet their upsides are not that high. It's easy to see Floyd's failures and say, "See he still sucks". Its' harder to wait a bit and see if there's any talent that can help the sox. Whether Floyd and the sox can harness his talent, who knows. But IMO it's still too early to throw him away. I like the idea; I dislike the execution. As if I'm unaware of the "safe" pick philosophy or the supposed ceilings of McCulloch and Broadway. I've criticized both selections continually. If it were my decision, Cesar Carrillo and Pedro Beato would have been our respective draft selections for 2005 and 2006. Floyd might have been an ideal acquisition under different pretenses. But as it were, the goal in dealing Garcia should have been receiving the best possible package. I just don't believe including Floyd (especially) and Gonzalez alone accomplishes this without an additional prospect added in. I'll be the first to recognize the risks of drafting high school arms. Kris Honel sticks out immediately as the downfalls of such a selection. If the choice is between a high ceiling, high school arm and a Broadway clone -- the former should be considered. We have enough 4th/5th starters within the system to supply half the American League. First goal should be selecting a collegiate starting pitcher who was plus stuff and falls due to signability concerns. Teams such as Anaheim, Boston, and New York are picking behind us. We should take advantage of this. With a deep draft in the pitching department, there should be a solid pitcher available at our slot of #25.

QUOTE(Kalapse @ Mar 30, 2007 -> 03:23 PM) If the Sox lose Contreras they're f***ed seeing as how he's their best starter. Rogers on the other hand is the Tigers' 3rd best starter and once his replacement Chad Durbin s***s the bed we'll see another of their future aces in Andrew Miller. This injury sucks and all but it's hardly going to derail the Tigers' season. But.....he has only pitched fifteen innings in the Detroit Tigers organization. How can you determine that!?!

QUOTE(Kalapse @ Mar 30, 2007 -> 11:51 AM) So am I the only one that doesn't buy this at all? No, you're not. I don't know how the pressure is off. Sure, it may be off in the beginning of the season; but if we're in contention no one is going to surprised. I'll sure as hell guarantee anyone that the pressure will mount if we're struggling out of the gate. Even with varying opinions on our success from fans, Williams isn't treating this season as a rebuilding effort. He'll be justly criticized for our failures. A major league ballclub configured specifically for contention shouldn't need bulletin board material from baseball writers selecting them for 3th or 4th place. Only motivation necessary is winning, and perhaps earning themselves a large payday further down the road.

So, if Buehrle struggles will the excuse be: "it's only spring training; wait until the season begins" or "(he's) disinterested in this game with the beginning of the season approaching"? Personally, I'm expecting a good performance. The time for working on mechanical issues and secondary pitches have since passed.

QUOTE(CWSGuy406 @ Mar 30, 2007 -> 07:40 AM) Yes -- it's scary weak up the middle. One of Valido and John Shelby need to step up this year, hopefully both. On an unrelated note, I hope that by trading for Danks, the Sox will now have no fear of taking a Boras client in round one. I really would've been interested to see if Daniel Bard (I think it is?), the UNC pitcher fell to the Sox last year. He was just one spot away before the Sox picked -- the other Sox grabbed him, FWIW. He had some pretty easy looking heat in that College World Series. I remember seeing a whole page of curse-words on Soxtalk as the BoSox took him. Aside from Bard, the consensus selection for the White Sox appeared to be Pedro Beato. http://www.soxtalk.com/forums/index.php?sh...1&start=400 Interesting. Here's my own perspective on drafting McCulloch: QUOTE(Flash Tizzle @ Jun 6, 2006 -> 12:03 PM) I'm convinced the White Sox purposely drafted a Lance Broadway clone just to irritate me. Why didn't they take Pedro Beato? I'll be sure to follow Beato's progress through Baltimore's minor league system, as I have with Carrillo. Can anyone tell me who Minnesota drafted? I'm guessing it's a hard throwing right hander with a plus slider who'll be dominating our lineup for years. (sigh) He would have looked great in our system.

QUOTE(Jordan4life_2007 @ Mar 30, 2007 -> 03:28 AM) I love how Tizzle waited until Danks got rocked to start a watch on him. lol, trust me -- that's pure coincidence. I thought it'd be more appropriate to have both pitchers compared side by side since both will be pitching in the majors. Earlier, when I first created it, Danks wasn't our 5th starter.

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QUOTE(BobDylan @ Mar 30, 2007 -> 12:14 AM) With that pitching staff, I don't think it's that far fetched. Colon/Lackey/Weaver/Escobar is pretty damn good. Oh, and that Fransico Rodriguez guy, he's not bad either. You're forgetting Ervin Santana.

QUOTE(SoxFan101 @ Mar 30, 2007 -> 12:04 AM) we have a pair of brazilians one being anderson gomes and cant remember the other ones name who from all i have heard are oozing with talent even with the lack of production they put forth last season. Than I could of swore there was someone else, not Sanchez, that could have a good season. Paulo Orlando is the other Brazilian. Cunningham has atleast shown himself capable of handing A-level pitching. Gomes and Orlando, judging from the stats, appear a ways off.

QUOTE(SoxFan101 @ Mar 29, 2007 -> 11:45 PM) And we have a couple OF's that have a chance to get promoted sometime this season that would add some pop to that lineup. In the meantime the rotation should keep things interesting for them. Which OFs, aside from Cunningham, do you believe have a chance for promotion?

QUOTE(The Ginger Kid @ Mar 29, 2007 -> 10:42 PM) could've sworn they won 99 games in '05 They did. Someone screwed up in the fact checking department.

http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sp...-home-headlines I'll keep these quotes handy in the future when people try to distance Williams from Floyd's failures.

QUOTE(fathom @ Mar 29, 2007 -> 08:59 PM) I invited the following people with their date: Jphat and Scott Podsednik SSI and Greg Walker Flash and Liriano Santo/Dorf and Zambrano Rangercal and Frank Thomas Jimbo and Julian Wright We'll be there. Where's JimH's invitation?

QUOTE(danman31 @ Mar 29, 2007 -> 08:48 PM) Unless things have changed Russell is viewed as a reliever. I was slightly surprised to see him in AA again. With a good spring and a possible move to the pen you'd think they could push him to Charlotte after 10 starts in Bham last year. Even if the organization views Russell as a potential reliever, I wouldn't see the problem in allowing him an opportunity to start in Birmingham. Atleast have an idea after ~150IP in AA whether his future rests in a starting rotation.

QUOTE(Tony82087 @ Mar 29, 2007 -> 08:14 PM) Ok, whats your point? Danks will probably replace Mark in 2008, and is two months older than Miller... Miller possess a 96 mph fastball and a devastating slider. He has ace potential -- Danks doesn't. A starting three of Miller/Verlander/Bonderman should scare the crap out of every White Sox fan. We just can't compete with this. Yeah, you know the rest. I don't feel like getting into the issue. I'm just saying that when Rogers leaves or is injured (whichever occurs first), it's not going to be pretty when Miller shows up.

QUOTE(WhiteSoxfan1986 @ Mar 29, 2007 -> 07:51 PM) Nice to see they didn't push Gio to AAA. I imagine he'll end the season in AAA if everything goes well. I'm just hoping his improvements for this season make it possible to be seriously considered as a starting candidate in 2008. Russell as well.

QUOTE(Tony82087 @ Mar 29, 2007 -> 08:00 PM) You kill me Flash. The guy has 15 Professional innings in baseball. So? He'll probably replace Rogers in 2008 if everything goes as planned. Perhaps sooner if Rogers arm falls off.

QUOTE(santo=dorf @ Mar 29, 2007 -> 07:44 PM) Do you really want the Sox to flip Buehrle for another Gavin Floyd and ex-Sox prospect? You're sounding more and more cynical this offseason. It's strange to read. You should know more than anyone else that's not what I, or many -- including fathom -- would want. I still believe if we're looking to compete within the next five year period we'll need a #1 or #2 to emerge from within our system or via trade. This should be the goal of every deal involving pitching from this point onwards. Don't just deal to deal; or take less to receive your guys (ie Floyd). We have enough back end guys, as it is. Dealing Buehrle midseason really depends upon his statistics and the team's position in the standings. If he's the Buehrle of old, there's a chance he may receive Class A compensation and net us two draft choices. Trading him under such circumstances isn't necessary. However, if he's medicore, then Williams may be better off trading him than taking one Class B draft selection. Even then, I don't expect us to receive crap for him. Yeah, a team probably won't give up a stud prospect; but you can never guess another club's desperation. Off topic, but why did WSI ban you? Was it because of the poll you created about poor offseason moves?

QUOTE(The Ginger Kid @ Mar 29, 2007 -> 07:33 PM) and he's apparently added a change up to his arsenal, and they've always said he needs a 3rd pitch to go with the slider and heater to make him an ace. Bonderman is an example of a pitcher any team is quite capable of selecting if they're willing to take a chance. He was selected 26th overall in 2001. That's why I dismiss people who complain about our lack of Top 10 draft selections. Take a risk and perhaps stray from the "safe" selections and a team such as the White Sox may have a Jeremy Bonderman.

11 strikeouts for Barons pitching.

Sisco must be in trouble. It's taking MLB Gameday quite a while to update. QUOTE(southsideirish71 @ Mar 29, 2007 -> 07:15 PM) Trust me the statement means nothing. Ozzie wants to put his speedy no hit guys up ontop just to have visions of what once was in Florida. If anything, Anderson's HR only reaffirms Guillen's decision to have him as a late inning defensive replacement/pinch hitter

QUOTE(caulfield12 @ Mar 29, 2007 -> 07:07 PM) Uribe had a two run RBI before BA's homer. Now we'll see if the bullpen can actually hold a lead, if Ozzie plays this one out for 'real' or just development. We need a win, big time. I don't know, I'm kind of hoping for anarchy at this point. It'd just be funnier if we were to battle back against the immortal Barons pitching staff to take the lead, only to have Sisco blow the game.

QUOTE(The Ginger Kid @ Mar 29, 2007 -> 07:03 PM) less so with the gambler going on the DL. About time something bad happened to that team. Even if Rogers pitches terribly, and possibly endures injury throughout the season, they'll have Andrew Miller available. We don't have an Andrew Miller, unfortunately.

QUOTE(SoxFan101 @ Mar 29, 2007 -> 06:55 PM) obviously our major league team is just trying to boost the morale of our AA team. Maybe we're showcasing every pitcher this evening and feel the need to make them look good.

4-1 Barons. Aardsma gives up an additional run.