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I can't believe that 2 run HR happened. I'll gladly admit the Indians even if they lose put up one hell of a fight. Just have to end it Cleveland

Indians should be embarrassed by how they're playing tonight. I can't even watch it's so pitiful. Miller and Kluber just happen to both collapse in Game 7?! As did the defense? Bulls***. I think at this point the offense could score 8, the pitching would give it up. Congrats Cubs for wanting it more

Indians are playing scared tonight. It's really embarrassing. Now Kluber is wetting the bed now. Wow, Game 7 and this is how they play

QUOTE (Harry Chappas @ Nov 2, 2016 -> 09:09 AM) I just saw the first inning error. Lonnie Chisenhall is the Indians version of Avi Garcia. What exactly was he doing there? No kidding. He also looked terrible needlessly jumping up and missing a ball hit to RF in Game 3. It was like he had never dealt with catching a ball in close proximity to a wall.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Nov 2, 2016 -> 08:35 AM) I think it'll be the exact opposite. "We're only 1 player away, we'd have been right there with the Indians if those relievers would have just stayed healthy". But then I think they'd have said that no matter what. My God, let's hope no one aside from Hawk has the audacity to say such a comment.

QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Nov 2, 2016 -> 07:55 AM) I think regardless of tonight's outcome the city is going to burn. I could forsee stupid frat boy type of shenanigans, but for the city to burn I'd say there needs to be an excruciating and controversial loss (something on terms with Bartman, a blown umpire call, or ridiculous 9th inning comeback by Cleveland). Even a win I'd expect less destruction

QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Nov 2, 2016 -> 07:04 AM) Ask Steph, Klay and Draymond about those stats. Anyway, game 5? Check. Game 6? Check. The Cubs, when right, are one of the better teams of the last 40 years. I don't want it to happen. But they will get it done. And I predict meltdowns of GOAT proportions by what's left of White Sox nation. When you group together the season and post season yes, the Cubs are incredibly talented and compared to the Indians SHOULD win the series. But again, this all comes down to one game. Any outcome is possible when just looking at it as one game. If you're position is the Cubs may win because they're the better team, I'd agree. However I'm on the position the Indians have an advantage. The last 40 years comment is a bit ridiculous though when they've hardly dominated even the playoffs. Also the NL collectively is terrible.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Nov 2, 2016 -> 12:41 AM) I told u guys the Cubs were a lock and to bet the house. Did anybody follow my good advice? Cubs will wrap it up. It's simple, folks. The Cubs DEFINITELY have the better team. Case closed. Tomorrow is one game, anything can happen. But consider that statistically, Indians have a huge advantage alone playing Game 7 at home

QUOTE (Lip Man 1 @ Nov 1, 2016 -> 11:28 PM) I would agree with your thought process if I didn't have 35 years history contradicting it. The Sox have never felt they are in competition with the Cubs, have stated it publicly many time. JR (and for right or wrong you have to admire the strength of his convictions) has never been influenced by the Cubs, Sox fans, the media, agents...never has and never will be. Significant and needed change will come eventually, it has to since time marches on and we are all human. Mark I hope we're not just waiting for JR to hand over controlling interest/die before these changes come.......but I really wonder if that's what it would take if come 2017 nothing changes. If you do not rebuild with a GM acknowledging their mediocrity, a subpar team in a terrible FA market, with no immediate help available in the minors, AND several appealing SP trading chips to rebuild from, then they will never rebuild under JR.

If anything, I'd hope any potential Cubs World Series tears apart that last remaining doubt of Sox management about rebuilding. That lingering worry always thrown around of Sox fans not supporting the effort. No, I've never read or heard them verbally say they're reluctant to rebuild (other then the indirect evidence of JR wanting to "go for it.") but obviously they're not very supportive of the idea We need to just throw aside any doubt or worry. Stop thinking whether they successfully can rebuild or not, stop worrying about the remote possibility of the team relocating, and sure as hell not worry aboyt the Cubs. Just do what's best for the future of this TEAM. When you look at the alternatives, there are none that don't involve dumpster diving or hoping for a team wide resurgence. We've done this for many years. Why not try the ONE method we haven't tried? If it's 5 years from now and we're stuck with a terrible rebuilding process, reevaluate. Anyways, what would it matter if we purposely sucked for 5 years or (as we've done since 2012) tried to win but still sucked

QUOTE (iamshack @ Oct 28, 2016 -> 04:56 PM) Finally...Flash can finally shut up now I shut up years ago when we drafted our Liriano.......Chris Sale ?

Bmags, I'm around your age and joined this website shortly after you did, so while we've obviously matured since 2003, I'd agree there been a definite decline in White Sox culture. I recall the feeling among Sox fans on WSI and Soxtalk concerning the biased media attention towards the Cubs. Anyone remember Hangar18 on WSI counting articles and posting a daily commentary? There was a shared feeling of disrespect among Sox fans. "What have the Cubs done to deserve it?" Granted, we understood the attendance issue, but there was still the feeling Cub fans were unintelligent frat boys from Iowa while Sox fans were hillbillies who (when they did show up to a game) ran on the field. Even with the success of 2003 for the Cubs, the Bartman game and subsequent collapse in Game 7 actually served to heighten my enjoyment as a Sox fan. This is a key point. Our culture at the time was anti-Cubs as much as it was anything Sox related on the field. You touched on it earlier with the CORK t-shirts many Sox fans wore. Then, 2005 obviously changed everything. White Sox fans were treated to a World Series and were now atop the media landscape in Chicago. The disrespect, I felt, was gone. Who cared anyway how much coverage the Cubs received? Our team won a World Series! What followed is one of the greatest injustices of the post World Series years -- failing to sustain even moderate success. When the Sox disentegrated in 2007, Cubs made the playoffs......then were swept. Next season both teams made the playoffs.....Cubs were swept, Sox lost the series 3-1. If the White Sox had capitalized on the post 2008 playoff drought the Cubs had until 2015, it would have further defined our NEW identity -- winning. We'd have something else to define ourselves as other than the alternative to the Cubs. Flash forward to 2015, and it had been a terrible decade post WS title to say the least. A lot of unmemorable seasons thrown together with scrub players, bad management, and lack of direction. However, what I began to notice is that fans were collectively beginning to push-away the official narrative of the team. Rebuilding on the fly, patching together third tier players around the core wasn't going to work anymore. Yet.....there was still probably half this site feeling 2016 should be the year we "go for it" again. Meanwhile, through trades and the draft the Cubs had assembled a team capable of winning a World Series. Even though they fall short, they have a formidable team expertly constructed. Not a flash in the pan. Here's 2016, Cubs are meeting expectations while the White Sox predictably fall short. Fans however are now past a point of waiting and hoping. It's a overall feeling of negativity I've never witnessed. The rebuild sentiment among the fans, if I could judge from this site, is easily 75%+. What all this means to me is previously, our culture was identified in part anti-cubs, part southside grittiness. We were good but never good enough. We embodied this hard working, meat and potatoes type of blue collared fan base. Proud of our traditions.....yet also happy the Cubs havent won yet. After 2005, our culture of winning emerged. Not just competing. After failing for 10 of 11 years to reach the playoffs, this identity is lost. Our Cub hating identity is there, but lessened due to the fact these Cubs are damn good. We're a fanbase without an identity, a team without direction, in a city obsessed with the Cubs BEFORE 2015. Our culture, if it still exists, is decimated. However, I still have hope that one day we'll begin a new direction and start another chapter in our team's history.

QUOTE (Rowand44 @ Oct 20, 2016 -> 11:21 PM) I don't get how that makes any sense but ok. I don't know how I can further explain it. Kershaw pitching at home in Game 5 gave LA the best chance to win prior to coming to Chicago. That's it

QUOTE (Rowand44 @ Oct 20, 2016 -> 11:05 PM) I'm not trying to be an ass but I actually would like to hear what you guys would have done for game 6 if Kershaw started tonight? You'd be good running Hill out there again on short rest? Maeda. It's not that he's better than Kershaw under any circumstance, I would have just preferred Kershaw at home Game 5, Maeda 6, Hill/Kershaw Game 7. He gave LA the best chance of entering Wrigley up in the series

QUOTE (Deadpool @ Oct 20, 2016 -> 11:02 PM) I can't blame you for blocking out how bad this season was, but no one is that dense. Oh I'm dense, but I can't forget the horrors of this season. It's more a feeling of disgust, these are the best teams the NL has?

QUOTE (Deadpool @ Oct 20, 2016 -> 10:54 PM) Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha Wait...you're serious? Dodgers and Giants have looked terrible

QUOTE (fathom @ Oct 20, 2016 -> 10:35 PM) Awful performance Watching these NL games, I really wonder if the White Sox would win 90+. Dodgers are choking. Complete mental breakdown

QUOTE (Footlongcomiskeydog @ Oct 20, 2016 -> 09:47 PM) The Dodgers basically conceded this game by not starting Kershaw and running Ruiz out there in the cleanup spot. This is what several of us suggested earlier concerning Kershaw. You HAD to pitch Kershaw. If you lose, you lose with best and by then it'll all but be done anyway. If you win with him Dodgers are 3-2 going into Wrigley, which is obviously different than down 3-2 with Kershaw going on the road in an elimination game. Yes, even with Kershaw it may have still been the same score. I just feel it was a risk I wouldnt take

QUOTE (greg775 @ Oct 19, 2016 -> 10:02 PM) How can they not pitch Kershaw tomorrow? Maybe they'll change their minds. It's LA's only hope. It would be one of the all time postseason mistakes to not have Kershaw pitch tomorrow. Having him pitch at home, against Lester where perhaps 1 or 2 runs will make a difference, is essential for momentum and the greatest possibility of entering Game 6 up 3-2.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Oct 17, 2016 -> 07:08 PM) Then they better f***ing nail every single player they bring back in any major trades, because if they're willing to accept less overall talent to try to make things happen faster they create much less of a cushion for a bust. Exactly, if we're just supposed to assume the White Sox are trying to shorten any rebuild then there's no room for error. Hell, there's already little room for error as it is knowing any potential Q or Sale trade NEEDS to be successful for this franchise to move forward.

QUOTE (fathom @ Oct 15, 2016 -> 10:48 PM) Fitting end...another line drive, another dumb Dodgers play Embarrassing watching these NL teams seemingly give AB's, runs, and frankly games away. Even if LA loses, the Dodgers absolutely need to extend the seties to 6 or 7 games. Disrupt their rotation and stop them from being so damn comfortable

QUOTE (shipps @ Oct 11, 2016 -> 08:23 AM) No surprise at all that the Giants grinded out a win last night. I expect a more comfortable Giant win tonight. Game five against Lester at Wrigley trying to get your third in a row from the Cubs? That's a tough one. Even if they lose Game 5 against Lester, they'll succeed in throwing off the rotation scheduling. Especially if it involves not having Lester and Hendricks being able to pitch Game 1 and 2, then potentially 6 and 7

QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Oct 10, 2016 -> 09:22 PM) Everything is lining up perfectly. We need to take advantage. Exactly, and there should be no excuse otherwise. FA market is terrible, Q and/or Sale have tremendous value, and because it's the offseason everyone (whether they'll compete or not for 17') is potentially in play. I also believe they should act aggressively and not wait out late into the offseason to trade one/both. Every FA scrub taken off the market is another team seeking different options. Hahn and his team should start piecing together trade packages immediately. I believe we're all aware the importance of this offseason. A well crafted trade (or two) involving our starters can lay the groundwork for this team's success.

QUOTE (Lip Man 1 @ Oct 6, 2016 -> 09:06 PM) Sox get a second chance...we'll see what happens. Mark Sox won't get Cespedes until he's at the tail end of whichever contract he'll sign this winter

QUOTE (ChiliIrishHammock24 @ Oct 6, 2016 -> 12:20 AM) In my heart, I badly want the Cubs to lose. But I can't openly cheer against them as I try to be above all that. So I won't be a dick to my Cubs fan friends and mock them or root for the Giants, but I would laugh manically inside if Samardzija torches them in Game 2. Cmon, let's not try to act too noble here saying you're "above all that" not to openly cheer against the Cubs. I'm not above all that in the least bit. I'll root for the Giants, and any opponent for the Cubs after that. Now, I say all that full well knowing it's out of jealousy that I'm passionately against the Cubs. I'm jealous of their roster, I'm jealous of their general manager, and sadly enough I'm envious that they'll be perennial contenders while the White Sox can't string together two straight playoff appearances. If the Cubs did win it all, I'll be annoyed but will move on to focus on our disaster of a ballclub. It's just much more fun watching them collapse under expectations. Also who doesn't love cameras recording Cubs fans in the stands crying?