Flash Tizzle

I watch Abreu's AB and just think, it'd be much easier for him to get out of his slump if he literally walked up to the plate and did NOTHING. Can't swing out of the zone when you don't move the bat. Force pitchers to throw strikes, because as it is there's no reason for anyone to ever throw a strike. As for his defensive issues, they were on full display tonight. As greg mentioned, he is atrocious moving to his left. At this rate, may as well have him play toward the line; especially with LH hitters who have pull tendencies

QUOTE (greg775 @ Jul 25, 2016 -> 10:29 PM) No bunt. He can't. Wow it worked.......and well.

QUOTE (Deadpool @ Jul 25, 2016 -> 10:21 PM) And let's not kid ourselves. We're the fanbase. Outside of these games, we're the only ones watching. Bad is bad. The average fan wants winners, and we're losers every year and we retry every year. For too long we've built a pretender for those average fans. Make a few trades, a few FA signings, build up some hope, then the team falls flat. So what do we do? Well of course try it all again....and again. The average fan falls for it every time. Luckily this year it seems things are different. We have valuable pieces to sell, a great market, and the willingness of the GM to listen. Those average fans? They may be pissed, but they weren't coming out very often anyway and if this team rebounds quickly they'll forget all about it

QUOTE (greg775 @ Jul 25, 2016 -> 10:17 PM) Too late to get fair market value. Let's try a new manager and staff. See above post. What!? Lol With some people here there is just never a good time to sell anyone. Always some excuse

QUOTE (Green Line @ Jul 25, 2016 -> 10:16 PM) Blow. It. Up. I believe the fanbase is to the point with this team that we'd be disappointed if there wasn't a sell-off of several players

Dumb move by Bryant. He deserved to get popped in the face

QUOTE (Heads22 @ Jul 25, 2016 -> 10:03 PM) Jose absolutely has to catch that. It looks like he just sticks his glove out moving to his left and closes his eyes. Two times tonight

Wow Abreu is atrocious defensively

QUOTE (fathom @ Jul 25, 2016 -> 09:59 PM) Well this isn't good. Can't just throw only fastballs to these guys I don't think it'd be all that bad if Albers blew it. We still banged up Arrieta and a loss is just another step towards selling. A win is just a mild annoyance, granted it's against the Cubs.

QUOTE (South Side Fireworks Man @ Jul 25, 2016 -> 09:57 PM) Who will show up to pitch the ninth - will it be Cat or Fat? (Sigh).....Fat

QUOTE (soxforlife05 @ Jul 25, 2016 -> 09:44 PM) No chance you get that at the trade deadline. For Sale, I guaran damn tee there'd be atleast one or two ML players to immediately plug into the team. I'm not even suggesting it's what I'd prefer, but knowing the White Sox they'd expect immediate return out of a trade

QUOTE (soxforlife05 @ Jul 25, 2016 -> 09:40 PM) The best return possible for Sale will be had in the offseason because it brings ML players into the picture. Since it's the offseason a team can fill those holes without compromising playoff odds midseason. Most teams don't want to give up the entire farm for Sale, so any deal is probably going to require a major league player. I wouldn't expect only prospects for Sale, you have to throw in a ML player or two

QUOTE (elrockinMT @ Jul 25, 2016 -> 09:34 PM) Questionable calls by that there home plate ump Wow this whole night these calls have went against the White Sox

QUOTE (soxforlife05 @ Jul 25, 2016 -> 09:32 PM) There's no reason to panic sell at a time when your team is reeling and other GM's recognize that and will try to take advantage of an emotional hit of the panic button. Why do you think Hahn's phone is ringing off the hook in the past week? A lot of terrible emotional losses when the team was already on the edge of being out of it. It's like a bunch of vultures circling a dying animal waiting to strike. Like I said, if they really want to move him I'd prefer they be patient and wait a year or two for someone to knock their socks off. That's the exact opposite of how things are now. GM's are desperate, we don't need to sell either but should because the pitching market is thin and Hahn should be receiving deals to knock his sock off. It's always wait a year or two with this ballclub. Before you know if Q or Sale will be injured/ineffective and we'll be shrugging our shoulders wondering why we didn't move one sooner. Meanwhile, it'll still be the same ol' .500 ballclub.

QUOTE (soxforlife05 @ Jul 25, 2016 -> 09:19 PM) To come out against Arrieta and play like this I'm a little surprised. Maybe this team isn't dead in the water yet after all. God I hope you're not Hahn. If you are, learn from last year -- a week stretch of good baseball shouldn't change your opinion of this ballclub. Sell

Yesss!!!! I'm definitely in sell mode, but whatever runs we can throw on hgh infused Arrieta is an awesome sight!

QUOTE (fathom @ Jul 25, 2016 -> 08:47 PM) Abreu is pathetic He took one step to his right before the pitch, and after it was hit he couldn't make that one step back to the left. Terrible

QUOTE (Buehrlesque @ Jul 25, 2016 -> 11:42 AM) In a situation this extreme, there's no point in fighting perception. Due to his value being a bit tarnished by perception/name recognition/win total, etc., the Sox are just not going to get enough value in a Quintana trade to make it worthwhile. No GM is going to empty his farm system for a name that doesn't fully energize the fan base. Sale on the other hand... As Caufield say, what about Shelby Miller? Is the excuse just, "oh well Arizone frequently watched him pitched and liked him." Or the good ole, "that type of overpay rarely happens," yet in reality it happens every year.

QUOTE (bmags @ Jul 24, 2016 -> 07:44 PM) I get really frustrated when it's time for us to sell. When it was Peavy, that he was 1.5 control we thought it would be such an asset to get more back. Then what did we hear back? "teams were looking for a cheaper option" When it was Rios "Just a rental, shouldn't expect much back" I feel like when push comes to shove we'll hear "Too good for the market, teams went after cheaper options" No kidding, it's like a collective effort by the league to never need whatever we're selling. Granted, I understand those players aren't tge equivalent of Sale or Quintana; but there are always reasons we never seem to get ahead. I fully expect Hahn to trade a coveted player like Quintana for an awesome package, not only because our future depends on it, but the contract/health/talent of Q in this sellers market should provide NO excuse. None. Not even the, "he's undervalued" card. If he's here come August 1st Hahn has failed. His best bet is to trade him asap, with the most teams available, before they start looking elsewhere and we're the one's left mired in mediocrity for another season

QUOTE (shipps @ Jul 23, 2016 -> 09:45 PM) I knew Sale having his name in trade rumors would offend him and have him explode. The dude is a hot head and takes pretty much everything personally. I was thinking this too, it wasn't just coincidental. However, if Sale had pitched a terrible game it wouldn't have changed his value any more than if this incident happened. If they want to trade him they should do it as quick as possible. Otherwise, just do damage control (always a specialty of the White Sox) and work with dealing Quintana

This is just yet another White Sox distraction. Always drama with this organization. And of course Sale pulls this nonsense when he's on the trade market and a potential trade return could transform this ballclub. Not that it's going to hurt, but it's incredibly annoying

I'm all aboard this 'lose for better draft position' thread and would like to add a rooting interest in 'lose to ensure we remain sellers' . A win streak could be the excuse for Hahn to hold off selling. We know the White Sox are perfect at doing this. We'll go something like 8 of 10 defeating Tigers, Cubs and Twinsp leading into the trade deadline and be around 3 gb of wildcard spot. It's just pure White Sox

QUOTE (Insp @ Jul 22, 2016 -> 12:20 AM) If you're serious about rebuilding, then don't trade any of the pitching. Trade all of the hitters except Morneau & Saladino as they are the only players who know how to work the pitch count. Get back hitting prospects who have demonstrated the ability to work the pitch count. If We're serious about rebuilding, we have to trade our most valuable assets -- starting pitching. We're not going to receive the highest value otherwise

QUOTE (Rowand44 @ Jul 21, 2016 -> 08:45 PM) http://www.foxsports.com/mlb/story/chicago...er-trade-072116 There it is, exactly what I've been waiting to hear from Hahn. Very refreshing to read him acknowledge what everyone sees

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Jul 21, 2016 -> 01:29 PM) I really hope that this front office and ownership group doesn't blow this current opportunity. You don't have to move Sale or Quintana right now, but you should be actively listening on all offers and prepared to move them in the offseason. They'll blow it because it's easier to field a mediocre team with the chance (albeit slim) of competing, then taking a chance admitting fault and rebuilding. No, we rather trade either Sale or Quintana when they're ineffective and have very limited value. Won't it be a shame years from now if we continue missing the playoffs AND don't receive anything of value from either pitcher? I feel that's where being on the fence will get us.