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QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Jul 31, 2016 -> 01:07 AM) This is just flat out not true. It's true until proven otherwise

QUOTE (fathom @ Jul 29, 2016 -> 09:14 PM) Great outing and Sox career for Q. One of the most likable players in a long time. Yep, and tremendous performance from Q. Now Hahn needs to do his job and trade either him or Sale

QUOTE (bighurt574 @ Jul 29, 2016 -> 12:25 PM) Can't see the Cubs doing that deal. As far as the postseason rotation, Q isn't even that big of an upgrade for them over what they already have. Yeah. They wouldn't include Schawrber, since we'd be receiving him at his lowest value.

QUOTE (bmags @ Jul 29, 2016 -> 01:15 PM) I called it. Despite an absolute sellers market, with two of the best pitchers on the market, on longterm, friendly contracts, we won't find buyers because everyone paying 50% more for cheaper 1/2 season rentals. Being a white sox fan is a special kind of limbo. It honestly disgusts me. Not only with the lack of any team rich in talent to give it up for either talented, cheap, and cost controlled pitchers; but that once again with the White Sox negativity isn't something we have to search for.......it's always predictable with this team. We may as well just prepare for the future draft picks we'll maybe receive for either Sale or Quintana. I'm sure when the time arrives the market will again be against us and "no one will trade value for half a season of a declining player." Hahn has a lot to do in these next couple days. Honestly, I don't even care what's stacked against him or that no one will give up fair value for Sale or Q. Too bad, then deal other players and rebuild your minor league system.

QUOTE (GreenSox @ Jul 28, 2016 -> 10:21 PM) Those deals without moving EAton, Quintana or Sale, will likely hurt the org; because Hahn will have to chase replacements in the offseason, and judging by his history, pays a little more than 2 "mid level prospects" (usually 4 prospects or 1 isn't mid level). And if you don't replace them, and feature Turner and Kahnle in the pen, you won't win 75 games anyway, so what's the point in keeping Q Eaton and Sale? Perhaps if they trade one of Q or Sale they could still regroup for next year (depending upon the prospects they get); but each day further reveals how thin this 25 man, 40 man and org is and probably a teardown is necessary. Exactly. They need to trade either Q or Sale (preferably) to improve this ballclub. We can act like they don't, but we also know there are no FA or realistic trade options (with our thin system) to help the 2017 team. It's really frustrating that even when we're intent on selling we still can't have it work in our favor. Hahn should be trying every damn selling tactic he can to unload some of these players. It's unacceptable otherwise because the entire course of our future depends on it. Standing pat or unloading a player like Robertson for a Hector Molina type wont get it done either

QUOTE (Baron @ Jul 28, 2016 -> 09:08 PM) That's the kind of value Sale can give....off tonight and still battles vs a explosive offense. Too bad nobody will pay the price for him. I love how a team will overpay for Shelby Miller but not Sale or Quintana. Unbelievable. Always an excuse every offseason or midseason why we can never receive value for our players. I'm still not going to let Hahn off the hook though, plenty of other players with value on this team who absolutely should not be here come Monday.

QUOTE (Lip Man 1 @ Jul 27, 2016 -> 10:41 PM) Can anybody answer why Jacob Turner is on the roster? The last few years the Sox have been dumping deadwood and that's very good...unfortunately then they keep replacing those guys with more deadwood. Seriously to those that closely follow the minor league system...is it still that rancid after Hahn trying to rebuild it the last few years? The BEST they can do are stiffs like Turner, Perke etc. Mark Yes, it's the best they can do. We need Hahn to hit a HR (perhaps a few) and trade off some players to replenish the minors. It'd be a failure on par with our May collapse to not deal anyone of value.

QUOTE (fathom @ Jul 27, 2016 -> 09:40 PM) I know people had doubts about his delivery and maintaining his velocity on shorter than 6 days rest. Sucks that Boston took Benintendi Our draft picks need to be successful, especially in the top rounds. And no I'm not dismissing Fulmer, but every high pick failure is yet another position we have to worry about filling through trades or FA. We should not be entering Monday having Sale or Quintana anyways, so Fulmer's success isn't necessary now

QUOTE (IowaSoxFan @ Jul 27, 2016 -> 12:36 PM) Why let Melky, Frazier, Robertson, and Lawrie walk away for nothing when you can move them now and get something that can provide future value to the franchise. May as well trade them now so another team could have them contribute for 1.5 years and then receive a draft pick if they leave.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jul 27, 2016 -> 12:03 PM) We actually kinda do, because we can see how the FA market shapes up. Pre-2017 it is terrible, perhaps the worst FA market in decades. Literally everyone but Cespedes who would deserve big money is under contract. Josh Reddick has a shot at $100 million because if your revenue grew this year there's literally no where to spend it. That means, if your team is thinking that they can make one last run in 2017...you better be prepared to pay a fortune. Since the FA market is that bad, you can also expect the trade market to be an incredible seller's market because everyone will be buying from any team willing to part with their guys. That's still no guaranteed that Sale or Quintana will bring you anything more significant in return. Why wait when everything right now, today, is practically tailor made for us to receive a haul for Q or Sale. That perceived sellers market pre-2017 only widens the options for teams, who may not feel the need to unload top talent. Remember, before the season many have World Series hopes and play the "on paper" W-L game. While that may widen the number of suitors, everyone is assembling their rosters based on projections and talent rich teams like the Dodgers for instance are not going to assume Kershaw will be injured again. Boston and Texas will not have the urgency in the offseason because they'll make trades for lesser talent whose projections they're comfortable with. Hell, even now we're fortunate to have lesser pitchers like Rich Hill with lingering issues or else he's be snatched up I really believe we'll regret having not taken advantage of this moment in time. If they're not traded now, they won't be traded in the offseason. If someone cannot take advantage of a perfect opportunity now, then they're either too scared or too stubborn to do it and half a year won't change their mind. They'll be a bunch of excuses (as there always are) and ultimately we'll be right where we are right now.

QUOTE (ChiSox59 @ Jul 27, 2016 -> 09:25 AM) Just keep winning. Sale and Q are going nowhere, IMO. I think the Sox will stand pat, or maybe make a couple smaller moves. And I totally OK with that. Sale and Q's value are not decreasing anytime soon, and the Sox have a chance to be competitive in 2017 with a few small tweaks to the roster (not to mention the chance to stay in the race in 2016). Trade pieces off next July if it doesn't work. Very little roster turnover after this year...next year makes much more sense for a tear down. Lol we'll never learn will we? People were saying the exact same thing last year! "We have Rodon, Q and Sale, plus Eaton and Abreu as our core. Just need some tweaking.. If it doesn't work then blow it up next season." I read this basic phrase all last year around the deadline. I just don't understand how minor tweaking fixes this mess. Or, with a baron minor league system and weak FA class, how'd we would accomplish it. But I'm sure when we fail again next year we'll just fall for the same false hope come 2018

QUOTE (hi8is @ Jul 27, 2016 -> 01:32 AM) Well said. The crack like waiting game continues. I'd really want Hahn to make a trade ASAP, before our winning streak gets out if hand and he makes a stupid decision to do nothing

QUOTE (soxforlife05 @ Jul 26, 2016 -> 09:10 PM) I don't think anyone was getting moved regardless. This offseason is probably when it will happen. I thought nobody wanted Hahn to trade Sale or Q. Why the change now? If it doesn't happen now it won't happen in the offseason. Guaranteed. I'm sure Hahn will not enter an offseason preparing fans for the rebuilding. He still needs time to construct a team and have replacements for whoever is dealt. It'll happen now when approval for selling is at its highest. Also gives some in house options time to prove themselves over several months The market now is perfect for the White Sox to trade either Q or Sale for a haul to a contending team (Boston, LA. Texas) desperately in need of a starter. Also consider the lack of alternatives and the return value of players who have been traded thus far, Hahn has to sell. I'd be very disappointed if he didn't

I understand some people think everything Williams' says is cryptic with hidden meaning, but taking the comments as they are this is exactly why we should be rooting not to win anymore games through the deadline. Six games shouldn't decide our team's future, but say they win six straight from here to make it ten in a row, does anyone forsee them still selling? Hell if they win 4 of the next 6 I'd still have my doubts. I'd hate to ask these hypotheticals, but really, what is the dividing point between selling or standing pat? I don't think it's a certainty. We're some damn fickle as an organization and concerned about ghosts of the White Flag trade, and pissing off the fanbase, I honestly believe they'd go every season "mired in mediocrity" if it just allowed them not to have to make a tough decision. Now if you think Williams is posturing, I'd ask why -- are we really going to gain much from fooling people into thinking we're buyers?

I watch Abreu's AB and just think, it'd be much easier for him to get out of his slump if he literally walked up to the plate and did NOTHING. Can't swing out of the zone when you don't move the bat. Force pitchers to throw strikes, because as it is there's no reason for anyone to ever throw a strike. As for his defensive issues, they were on full display tonight. As greg mentioned, he is atrocious moving to his left. At this rate, may as well have him play toward the line; especially with LH hitters who have pull tendencies

QUOTE (greg775 @ Jul 25, 2016 -> 10:29 PM) No bunt. He can't. Wow it worked.......and well.

QUOTE (Deadpool @ Jul 25, 2016 -> 10:21 PM) And let's not kid ourselves. We're the fanbase. Outside of these games, we're the only ones watching. Bad is bad. The average fan wants winners, and we're losers every year and we retry every year. For too long we've built a pretender for those average fans. Make a few trades, a few FA signings, build up some hope, then the team falls flat. So what do we do? Well of course try it all again....and again. The average fan falls for it every time. Luckily this year it seems things are different. We have valuable pieces to sell, a great market, and the willingness of the GM to listen. Those average fans? They may be pissed, but they weren't coming out very often anyway and if this team rebounds quickly they'll forget all about it

QUOTE (greg775 @ Jul 25, 2016 -> 10:17 PM) Too late to get fair market value. Let's try a new manager and staff. See above post. What!? Lol With some people here there is just never a good time to sell anyone. Always some excuse

QUOTE (Green Line @ Jul 25, 2016 -> 10:16 PM) Blow. It. Up. I believe the fanbase is to the point with this team that we'd be disappointed if there wasn't a sell-off of several players

Dumb move by Bryant. He deserved to get popped in the face

QUOTE (Heads22 @ Jul 25, 2016 -> 10:03 PM) Jose absolutely has to catch that. It looks like he just sticks his glove out moving to his left and closes his eyes. Two times tonight

Wow Abreu is atrocious defensively

QUOTE (fathom @ Jul 25, 2016 -> 09:59 PM) Well this isn't good. Can't just throw only fastballs to these guys I don't think it'd be all that bad if Albers blew it. We still banged up Arrieta and a loss is just another step towards selling. A win is just a mild annoyance, granted it's against the Cubs.

QUOTE (South Side Fireworks Man @ Jul 25, 2016 -> 09:57 PM) Who will show up to pitch the ninth - will it be Cat or Fat? (Sigh).....Fat

QUOTE (soxforlife05 @ Jul 25, 2016 -> 09:44 PM) No chance you get that at the trade deadline. For Sale, I guaran damn tee there'd be atleast one or two ML players to immediately plug into the team. I'm not even suggesting it's what I'd prefer, but knowing the White Sox they'd expect immediate return out of a trade