Flash Tizzle

This deadline was a PR disaster for the White Sox, and I couldn't be happier. This relationship of collective disgust between fans and the media will hopefully suggest to Hahn that complacency and shoulder shrugging ("oh well lets try it all again next year") won't be tolerated. The members here on Soxtalk are representative of the loyal part of fanbase, and while we're a small number, many have taken a financial stance against the White Sox. I'll tune into games, but I'm not spending my money on tickets, parking, food, and adult beverages to watch this nonsense in person. The greatest failure of the last 10 years is not taking advantage of the 2005 WS title. We had Chicago's attention, attendance spiked.......then the White Sox do what they always do and fell flat. JR and company can blame the fans but it's their fault attendance is miserable and ratings low. Our fanbase is unique in that they don't support a loser. Yes, that could be JR's reason NOT to have a fire sale; but they're not showing up anyway. Why not just accept several years of attendance failure to in turn set up multiple years of playoff success?! Atleast try it, we've seen how the "rebuilding on the fly" alternative has gone

QUOTE (bmags @ Aug 1, 2016 -> 10:13 PM) That's a promising start though. A better GM could have probably worked it. They're one prospect (not Moncada, probably Devers) from completing the deal. That's not as far apart as I would have imagined.

QUOTE (Hatchetman @ Aug 1, 2016 -> 08:10 PM) Jim Bowden calls the White Sox "flat out losers." http://sportsmockery.com/2016/08/espn-anal...ox-flat-losers/ the video is toward the bottom. Absolutely true. We're losers and deserve every bit of criticism for it

QUOTE (Hatchetman @ Aug 1, 2016 -> 07:41 PM) JR doesn't want the team to suck too badly since the TV contract will be negotiated in a year or two. That's a good point too. I could see this being an undisclosed issue.

QUOTE (SCCWS @ Aug 1, 2016 -> 07:32 PM) FWIW---Boston had a Trade Deadline Show w Jerry Remy and 2 Boston Beat Writers. They indicated multiple sources said the Dodgers were the only team who thought they could make a deal for Sale. Texas and Boston were not giving up what Hahn wanted and moved on. Dodgers finally switched their attention to Hill mid-day. There was some discussion that JR was not trading Sale regardless of the package. They don't think Sale will "really" be available in the winter either. Maybe tomorrow we will hear some more rumors. However, we saw how wrong most of the pre-deadline rumors turned out so many of these post deadline rumors are just as wrong Of course he won't be available in the winter. We'll fool ourselves into thinking more teams are there to bid for Sale, but they did everything this deadline of a team looking to compete. If the price was too high now, it'll be too high in December. I just expect a lot of posters here to remember what they've posted about how this upcoming offseason is a defining moment for this franchise. None of this, "wait until the deadline" nonsense. We can't continue sitting around

I'd like to just know this simple question. I'm not even expecting any examples of trades or FA signings, just an overall idea. How does this team improve for 2017? Enough not to be mired in mediocrity and making a run worthwhile

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Aug 1, 2016 -> 06:43 PM) Here is the problem. If the return on a deal is only mediocre, how does that help you get any better? I mean they were willing to deal guys if they got the right offer, but they didn't. You're always defending the White Sox, but here, it's indefensible. So let's assume Sale and Q were not receiving the return value they expected. Ok, now what about Robertson, Cabrera, Eaton, Gonzalez, Shields? None of them were receiving interest? I can't believe it. Are we to believe trading Duke was the ONLY deal we thought worthy? They screwed themselves publically acknowledging this team was mediocre, then doing nothing to change it.

QUOTE (Footlongcomiskeydog @ Aug 1, 2016 -> 06:21 PM) They are most definitly going for it again next year. The lack of activity today proves that. Sale and Q aren't going anywhere during the offseason. The question is whether or not Jerry will open up the pocketbooks to bring in a couple of impact bats. What impact bats!? Lol. I'd rather not make any significant FA moves for an extended period (ie beyone one year). Just lose with dignity.

QUOTE (Kalapse @ Aug 1, 2016 -> 05:33 PM) Regardless of everything that transpired "mired in mediocrity" was a misstep. "Three year plan" talk was a misstep "Mired in mediocrity" was a misstep Too many mistakes and if anything Hahn has revealed his true thoughts of the ballclub. I know nearly everyone commended him for the truth. However none of us will forget it, and now every move he makes/doesn't make will be based off of it.

QUOTE (Black_Jack29 @ Aug 1, 2016 -> 03:19 PM) This Plenty of opportunities to deal Sale this winter. I cannot wait until this winter. I feel like it'll be the last of the "wait and see" crowd when Sale and Quintana remain and there will be no more holding off for another six months. All he did is buy time for people who share your sentiments

QUOTE (Rowand44 @ Aug 1, 2016 -> 01:39 PM) I have ten years of running an awful organization to criticize them for. You also don't know what has been offered so to defend them is ridiculous. Players/teams/organizations can earn the benefit of the doubt but all this organization does is constantly make the wrong move. Until they do something different, anything different, my first reaction is going to be to criticize because that's what they've earned. Exactly, and until information is released with names of players offered I'm not just going to assume the White Sox were correct in not trading either Q or Sale. Just as Boston may have lowballed them, perhaps the White Sox wanted too much and were unwilling to step down. If nothing comes out, I'm still faulting the White Sox by default because they haven't earned ANY benefit of doubt

QUOTE (TRU @ Aug 1, 2016 -> 01:25 PM) Unless something drastic happens, Hahn has come out and said this team is "mired in mediocrity" and yet, does not do anything about it.. As a fan, not a good look at all. Zero faith in this organization to make the right move. Wow haven't seen you post in while. Come the winter time he won't do anything about it either, because he can't. There's no easy way of fixing this trash of a team. People assume everything will be different with more teams available over the offseason but haven't we learned by now nothing works in our favor? No team is willing to overpay for any of our players......ever. So here we are mired in mediocrity

QUOTE (CyAcosta41 @ Aug 1, 2016 -> 12:57 PM) (PS -- While we don't have to give them up now, I'd love to give them up if they get the RIGHT deal, because sooner or later -- perhaps off-season 17/18 -- we really will have to give them up for what we can get.) That's the key, selling at the right time where Sale and or Q are still effective pitchers. Not to say they won't be 17' or 18' offseason, but let's say the worst occurs with injury or ineffectiveness -- we're in a terrible position. Our future in large part depends more on the success of either pitcher's return value than how well they pitch for us. We're going nowhere with two AL, Top 5 Cy Younf candidates. That's depressing as hell. How can Hahn possibly feel anything but shame wasting that talent?

QUOTE (bmags @ Aug 1, 2016 -> 12:41 PM) We joked about it earlier, and it's so true. Whenever it's the sox turn to sell, all of the things we say make them attractive are the things that we hear back as why they can't get a return. It's sad how predictable their failures are. Just like we're hear in December that the market is oversaturated with SP on the block, which decreases our pitchers value, and "why would someone give up all of that for Sale when they can pay half for Archer?"

QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Aug 1, 2016 -> 12:37 PM) Anyone think that Texas has been too quiet today? I think if anything were to happen it'd be Rangers or Dodgers. Too much posturing with Boston in the media. Always some unexpected team that comes through with these trades. The other day when Profar was playing in the OF I thought it may as well have been a dosplay for the White Sox. If he's traded here he'll be out there when Lawrie returns.

QUOTE (Baron @ Aug 1, 2016 -> 12:32 PM) We're standing pat guys. Get ready for the the recycled Rick Hahn message. Embarrassing. This organization is an absolute headache and I agree with the poster who said while I'll always be a Sox fan, it'll be time to step away from the team for awhile. No more games this year. Even if you're going to make excuses for Quintana and Sale, what about everyone else? I cannot believe only Zach Duke and his 4th OF return was the best option out there. Yeah yeah there are 2.5 hours left, but I'm sure we'll be left disappointed yet again. Then again come winter when Sale and Q still remain. Then 2017 when we're again mediocre.

QUOTE (DirtySox @ Jul 31, 2016 -> 11:44 PM) Jon Heyman ‏@JonHeyman 2m2 minutes ago these 3 teams appear to be players in the mysterious sale derby (tho no guarantee he's dealt) Today's Knuckleball @KnuckleballFRS Per @JonHeyman: #Rangers, #Dodgers & #RedSox are in mysterious Chris Sale derby if #WhiteSox decide to make a trade: http://www.todaysknuckleball.com/knuckleba...ris-sale-derby/ … http://www.todaysknuckleball.com/knuckleba...ris-sale-derby/ Unless the Rangers, Dodgers, and Red Sox are in collusion to purposely devalue him, someone should provide enough and be the winner. I mean are teams not fully aware how unprecedented it is for a pitcher of Sale's calibur to be traded midseason, while under a team friendly deal!? We very well may be trading the American League Cy Young, not some fricken bum. It's time for someone to give in and help the White Sox for once. They're getting a hell of a pitcher in return. He just has no use here

QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Jul 31, 2016 -> 10:51 PM) Final prediction is the FO basically fails us by standing pat, aside from the Duke trade and, I'll say Robertson to Boston for Michael Chavis Duke and Jones will be the two pieces moved. Jones will be dealt for a AAA catcher we'll plug into the spot next season when we go for it again........

QUOTE (Rowand44 @ Jul 31, 2016 -> 10:02 PM) We've been waiting for 5 years now. Their value is going to start to diminish at some point if we don't move on this. Like I said before, it makes perfect sense in theory to wait until the offseason to move them but I guarantee that's not how we're going to operate if we still have both in the winter. 5 years since these two have been starting together and absolutely nothing to show for it. We can pretend we hold all the cards here and we don't need to move them(cause once again in theory we don't) but we're just going to repeat this same song and dance next July when they both have a little less value, if we don't move them now. If their reasoning for not moving Sale or Quintana is due to the reluctance of another team to give up the package they want, six months will not change anything. More teams may be available to trade for him on paper, but how many have the quality players we'd seek? Probably exactly the same teams we're involved with now.

QUOTE (ChiSox59 @ Jul 31, 2016 -> 06:26 PM) No he is not. Sigh im really tired of these fake posts getting my hopes up

QUOTE (iamshack @ Jul 31, 2016 -> 06:20 PM) Even if it is, at least it shows a willingness on their part, which is the biggest thing in my book. True, I've been so irritated with the idea of this deadline passing with no sognificant trade I'm finding the negative of everything lol

QUOTE (WhiteSoxLifer @ Jul 31, 2016 -> 05:54 PM) Quintana, Sale deals still in play for White Sox https://t.co/VPtpZKe3tI via @mlb https://twitter.com/scottmerkin/status/759884479313960960 I'll take it as a positive too, but I hope this isn't Merkin (obviously a mouthpiece for the org), trying to manufacture more interest

QUOTE (Baron @ Jul 31, 2016 -> 04:47 PM) They are probably perfectly fine with that. They get to bring those prospects up next year and we get to wallow at the .500 line waiting for Sale's contract to expire. Yet their pitching will not significantly improve otherwise. There's no FA signing to make. It's almost rdiculous how a team as offensively minded as Boston, with a high payroll, is stuck with the idea of holding onto.....more offensive players. That's the point of having an abundance of something, to trade it away for what you need

QUOTE (Baron @ Jul 31, 2016 -> 04:40 PM) Probably. But if they really wanted to get rid of them they would have to compromise which I must say sounds better than keeping both going into the offseason. Hahn trying to keep his job trading for other various bandaids. That's what I wonder too. Is he really intent on improving this team in the long term at the expense of some terrible years and maybe losing his job quicker, or going the easy, i'll just appease old man Reinsdorf route, and "going for it" route

QUOTE (DirtySox @ Jul 31, 2016 -> 12:40 PM) Jon Heyman ‏@JonHeyman 49s50 seconds ago Manhattan, NY dodgers talking about archer and/or moore from TB, as @jaysonst @Ken_Rosenthal said. not much Sale talk around LAD lately Hahn needs to pick up that phone again. If they're willing to trade for Archer or Moore (who won't exactly come cheap) they should be willing to pay for a more reliable starter