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QUOTE (Soxbadger @ Nov 15, 2016 -> 01:42 PM) The Sox have all of the leverage. There are not many Sale level pitchers in baseball. There are even fewer that are available. If other teams dont want to pay, then the Sox shouldnt trade. There is 0 urgency for the Sox. Not to mention part of the price of acquiring Sale is also the value of not letting your competitor get him. Exactly. The Sox have no need to trade Sale. If I'm not getting your top prospect plus, 3-5 other solid prospects, you're team is not Chris Sale or Todd Frazier in the same deal.

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Nov 15, 2016 -> 01:31 PM) I think this is a poor way to evaluate a potential trade. You have to look at the entire package and not just the centerpiece. Honestly, it probably doesn't matter, because I don't think Friedman will give up Urias. Hope I'm wrong, but I know I wouldn't if I was Friedman unless it was practically a straight-up swap. A half year of success cancels out a perennial cy young contender, ok. Sox would need at least 1 guy with potential to be a perennial all-star. Urias is that guy. De Leon, the next best pitching prospect will be turning 25 with 0 MLB experience. What happens with your quantity amount of players if they don't pan out? We had some on here saying we overpaid for Frazier when the highlight of that deal was 2 months of Trayce Thompson. Look at what the Reds got for Chapman compared to what the Yankees got for him. They got a 4th outfielder, a light hitting 2B, and another player. There is 0 reasons that Urias should not be included in this deal

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Nov 15, 2016 -> 01:24 PM) I think the central theme here is that if the White Sox aren't getting a teams top prospect, plus 3 to 4 other really high quality minor leaguers, the White Sox have lost the deal. My hope is that with one of the least likely teams to trade with the White Sox having won the 2016 World Series, and a lot of interest from the top teams around baseball in Sale, both the pressure and the bids to get Chris Sale will have to rise. Think about the view for each of these squads: Boston gets to put Chris Sale behind David Price. Dodgers get to run Clayton Kershaw and Chris Sale to start a playoff series. As a playoff team, you could have to face Sale and Kershaw 5 times in a seven game series. Atlanta is looking to make a big leap to sell a fairly unwanted new stadium here in a few short years. Houston is looking to take the next step by adding veteran star power to their team The Yankees missed the playoffs last year, and are becoming devoid of star power We only need one of those teams to push all in, and it forces the rest to push in or know that they let Chris Sale go to competition. Chris Sale is the #1 on 4 of those 5 teams. If Chris Sale isn't worth the top prospect from teams, that tells me that team doesn't want to win right now. Stop wasting the Sox time and offer what is deserved for a top 5 pitcher on the best contract in baseball.

QUOTE (raBBit @ Nov 15, 2016 -> 01:13 PM) Thanks Bruni. If I am Friedman, I am not sure I can give up 6 years of Urias + a lot more for 3 years of Sale. That being said, Friedman is one of the best executives ever with no trophies to show for it. Putting Sale behind Kershaw can make him feel a lot better about winning a championship or two over the next three years. Exactly, championships can cure all problems. Cubs fans didn't like giving up that much for Chapman, but it won them a WS. Kershaw, Sale, Maeda, McCarthy, Ryu is a hell of a 5. I can't say enough that if Urias is not in the deal, it's a loss for the Sox.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Nov 15, 2016 -> 01:06 PM) With the way this organization loves pitching, he has to be the centerpiece for any deal in their eyes, I would bet money on it. Agreed. There was an article out there that the Dodgers would put Urias on the table for Sale. Like many have said, Urias is a must in a Sale trade especially with Frazier involved as well. Urias, Bellinger, and Verdugo will highlight this potential deal imo.

Hopefully Tilmon signs tomorrow....

Sale and Frazier to the Dodgers for Urias, Verdugo, Bellinger, Lux, Alvarez, and Puig Quintana and Jones to the Rangers for Gallo, Perez, Profar, Mazara, and Speas or Quintana and Jones to the Red Sox for Benintendi, Devers, Groome, and Kopech Eaton and Putnam to the Cardinals for Reyes, Grichuck, and Perez

QUOTE (striker @ Nov 15, 2016 -> 08:49 AM) White Sox lack depth. When you are rebuilding and you can turn one player into more players you do it (as long as it's the right deal). Eaton and Robertson to the Cardinals for Kelly, Bader, Weaver and ~3 others. If you don't get Reyes in a deal with Eaton, then you lost the trade automatically. Much like Urias in a Sale trade.

Jon Morosi ‏@jonmorosi 4m4 minutes ago Sources: #Tigers, #SFGiants have had recent discussions about a J.D. Martinez trade. @MLBNetwork @MLB

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Nov 15, 2016 -> 07:18 AM) Adam Eaton is a 6WAR player with 5 years of control for $38 million. Over the last season and a half, he has been one of the top 10 position players in baseball. Why would the Sox trade him? If you are trading him why not Rodon? Why not Anderson? Turns 28. Value will never be any higher. Could get a haul for him

We deservedly talk about our pitchers in Sale and Quintana on here and their trade values, but Adam Eaton arguably has the 2nd highest trade value on this team ahead of Quintana. If we go full rebuild (hopefully we do), he would command a ton on the market as he'd be the best outfielder on the market. What teams and what kind of deals would you expect for Adam Eaton? I think Eaton to the Cardinals makes sense with a package centered by Reyes

Yeah, I don't see Braves as an ideal partner. For me, a package would have to be around Inciarte, Swanson, and Albies, but that's still on the light side.

Urias, Bellinger, Verdugo, Lux, Alvarez, and Puig should do it. People, you have to factor in that LA could/will probably offer Frazier a QO after the season too. That alone draws value as well.

QUOTE (Jenksy Cat @ Nov 14, 2016 -> 09:47 PM) A Sale trade without the phrase "blue chipper" involved was a failure. QUOTE (Soxfest @ Nov 14, 2016 -> 09:48 PM) De Leon already 25 ...............Urias in deal or forget it, talks begin with him. Yes, exactly. If you do not get Urias, this deal is a complete failure.

QUOTE (SouthSideSale @ Nov 14, 2016 -> 09:11 PM) If ya move Sale and Frazier, it's a full rebuild. No half-ass off-seasons. It's all-in or full blown rebuild. Exactly. You trade them two, you aren't competing next year. Go all out and rebuild this franchise.

Sale and Frazier to LA & Quintana and Jones to Boston Those 2 deals alone would net us 10-15 prospects alone with Abreu, Eaton, Melky, and Robertson left to trade.

QUOTE (PolishPrince34 @ Nov 14, 2016 -> 07:13 PM) Urias, Verdugo, Bellinger, Lux, Barnes, and Alvarez. I would do that in a heartbeat. Alvarez one highest ceiling pitchers in all of minors Deal. Add Puig too.

QUOTE (Soxfest @ Nov 14, 2016 -> 07:10 PM) I see Urias involved but not Deleon. Fine with me. Then trade Q to Boston.

I'll take less in quantity if it means we get Urias in the deal. Urias, De Leon, Bellinger, Verdugo, Lux, and Puig. I honestly don't know how Urias wouldn't be involved. Sure, De Leon is solid, but he is already 24 turning 25 in the season without MLB experience.

QUOTE (soxforlife05 @ Nov 14, 2016 -> 07:05 PM) If no Urias this deal is a failure. Completely agree, especially for Sale AND Frazier.

Urias has to be involved.

whitesoxdave ‏@barstoolWSD 8m8 minutes ago Rumor on the hot stove is the #Dodgers and #WhiteSox are discussing Sale & Frazier in a package deal to LA for a big prospect return whitesoxdave ‏@barstoolWSD 7m7 minutes ago Heard it from two separate sources today from two separate organizations - not sure how advanced talks are at this time whitesoxdave ‏@barstoolWSD 4m4 minutes ago I wouldn't have tweeted this had the second source not preemptively reached out to me. Also please stop asking if Seager would be involved

QUOTE (bmags @ Nov 14, 2016 -> 11:31 AM) Howard/Whitehair/Floyd really encouraging. Not as happy with our 4th rounders but think Hall will be best shot at a starter. Didn't really catch bullard yesterday, but seemed like dline played well. Goldman obviously stuck out (agian) as a passrusher, which is freaking awesome. I have a feeling Goldman will reach Geno Atkins level in the upcoming years. Dude is a monster.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Nov 14, 2016 -> 11:28 AM) Being totally unfamiliar with the Dodgers system in general, do they have any catching depth? If you consider Barnes a catcher? Dodgers have MLB players ready in Urias and De Leon. Bellinger and Verdugo finished the year in AAA and they both are 21.

QUOTE (hi8is @ Nov 14, 2016 -> 11:25 AM) I'd prefer Urias, DeLeon, Lux, Bellinger, Barnes, and Puig as a throw in. Give me Verdugo. Dude is gonna be a good one and could lock down CF.