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I want nothing to do with anything that involves 2 of Eloy/Vaughn/Sheets in the corners everyday. Would I accept it? I mean, yeah? I watch 155+ games a year. I am not about to "not accept" it when I've watched horseshit baseball for the lionshare of my 30 years on this planet while we have the best rsoter in my lifetime. But I'd be disappointed if the Sox don't sign Conforto.

The nice thing about Conforto, especially at 4/$70M-80M is if he bounces back to 2019-2020 numbers, he's a BARGAIN. Then if Colas or Cespedes explode, you have an awesome problem on your hands and can trade Conforto for a meaningful return AND get the team younger and cheaper while doing it.

I guess I just have a little more faith that the Sox will make the finishing touches to this roster and not go cheap. This is the offseason to do it. I wasn't expecting elite additions. But Conforto, trade for LaStella or Segura, trade Kimbrel for a cheap controllable reliver, and sign a guy like Archer all seems doable and like a team that wins the central easily. I also don't think Joc is half the player Conforto is.

Probably would. Wouldnt like it near as much. The answer is a resounding yes if you could tell me it wouldn't impact future endeavors, but we all know that isn't the case.

The Sox suck against RHP. We need LH batters. Generally left handed batters are not as good against LHP. Conforto is 36% above average against RHP across over 2,000 PA. He's a great hitter against RHP, a clear team need. I don't want to give Conforto $100M either. I think 4/$70M is my bid, and I'd stretch a bit above that to make it happen. Maybe he gets 5/$100M. He certainly would have if he had a better 2021, which is why I think there a possibility of getting him at what ends up being a bargain. You were just advocating for Joc Pederson. Not only does he suck against LHP (68 wRC+) in his career, but he is also a clear step down from Conforto against RHP (123 wRC+) and is a wrose defender. Just for those keeping score, Conforto wRC+ against LHP is 94. At least be consistent.

He looked awful at it. He cost us at least a game or two because he was so awful.

Lol. The numbers where Conforto has a 136 wRC+ against RHP in his career in 2,187 PA. Look, Gavin was very good against RHP in a very small sample. I am not suggesting we dump him - he has a spot on this roster, and would be a great injury fill in. But he has zero defensive value whatsoever, and is a DH only. Nice guy to have around? Yes. Our long term solution in RF, or a reason to pass on quite literally the best realistic fit for team needs? Absolutely not.

Lol dear god.

We should not be trading or pushing anyone to the side for Gavin sheets. He will get his at bats. He's a DH only and absolute butcher in the field. He's not a guy we should be building around, but simply a nice guy to have around with 2 more option years.

How in the world are there not enough at bats for Conforto? He's probably instantly be the best hitter on the team against RHP.

No. No we do not.

Giordano's thin crust pizza? Really?

If the Sox miss out on Conforto, I will join the masses with a pitchfork. My offseason plan is still in play, so I am not at all concerned yet. Would it have been nice to get some of the top 5 or so FA? Yeah, but I wasn't expecting that. This is the White Sox afterall.

Also, Ray and Guasman don't guarantee shit in the playoffs. Nice to have? Sure. Gausman had a 6 ERA this postseason. How'd that go for guaranteeing the G's an NLCS?

Did Thompson just become a minor league FA with the Sox? Can't recall why he left the org.

lol, what? Yes - I said I wouldn't touch Robby Ray with a 10 foot pole for $115M over 5 years? What is so hard to understand there? ITs a crippling move if it doesn't pan out. Not complicated stuff buddy.

You love putting words in people's mouths. Reality is that if the Sox sign Ray, and he goes back to being the pitcher he has been for 80% of his career, its a crippling move. So yes, I am glad they didn't take that gamble, because I know the Sox won't spend over their mistakes. Robby Ray goes back to the 1.4 WHIP guy he's always been in 22, the Sox aren't signing another SP next offseason to take his spot. See: Dallas Keuchel. Is that me celebrating not spending money? No. Its me recognizing that the Sox operate with a budget.

What's wrong with that take? I am not relying on those guys to be in the rotation. They're depth pieces that aren't getting any younger.

I am less concerned than you. Most rotations are in trouble if they lose their #1 and/or #2. Teams / players don't operate in the Balta world where your AAA is stashed with average major league vets. I think the Sox will win the ALC handily in 22. I think Gio/Lynn/Kopech/Cease is a very good top 4 for the playoffs. Would another really good SP in there be ideal? Sure. I am not saying it wouldn't. ITs just lower on my list. Plenty of offseason to go. Sox unfortunately will likely trade Vaughn for SP anyway. Would I rather sign a good SP than trade Vaughn? Fuck yeah. But I know what a big contract SP would do to this franchise if it doesn't pan out.

Mind blowing, right!?

Well history would in fact indicate that the Sox aren't likely to spend over $100M on a player. YEs, I know they offered $120M to Wheeler. Bleh - I am not going to argue about this anymore. Sox were never signing Ray or Scherzer. That does not mean this offseason is a failure.

Ok, dude. The Sox aren't suddenly operating with a $250M annual payroll moving forward. I know that; most know that. That doesn't mean I want to line Jr's pockets with cash, it means I live in reality. We are fans of a middle market team, not the Yankees, or Dodgers or Mets, or other teams that can sign a decent pitcher coming off a career year to a $115M deal. Let's not forget the Sox biggest FA expenditures in franchise history was 4/$73M to Grandal. The Sox weren't about to smash that for Robby fuckin' Ray. Yes, Dallas Kuechel is our 5. That is fine. Yes, Kopech is unlikely to throw more than 150 innings. The Sox will sign a SP and likely some milb guys. We have ReyLo and a few guys like Steiver, Lambert and McClure that are at due or die stages of their White Sox careers. I am not too concerned about the rotation. I am not losing sleep over not paying Robby Ray 5/$115M to go back to walking the world. The time to sign him was last offseason, not this.

Because Robby Ray is highly unlikely to replicate his 2021 performance even once in his next 5 seasons. That $115M can be invested in a much better fashion. Like towards Conforto, and 2B and a lesser SP that won't hamstring the team for the next half decade. I am also of the belief that the Sox SP is pretty damn good as is and I don't think we need to overpay for a SP in FA.

I wanted Robby Ray last year. Feel free to look it up. I wouldn't touch him with a 10 foot pole for 5/$115M.

But he didn't. He was fucking terrible. And Madrigal was on PACE for a 4 WAR season. If we're dismissing 4 WAR players in pre-arb, well then, I guess we just have differences of opinions. Well, I already knew that.