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I think he's all but guaranteed to resign. 2 years $7.5M with $500k buyout on a $5M team option for the third year is my guess.

Oh, no doubt. Eloy was a mess after his first couple weeks back. He's got some serious work to do this offseason. But I believe in him. I think he'll be a monster nex season, and hopefully Sox are smart and DH him most of the time to avoid needless injuries. Frankly, the numbers I posted are what he did in 2020 extrapolated out over 150 games. I don't think that is peak Eloy. He is a special hitter.

Want: Sign Conforto (4 years; $70M), trade Keuchel + Burger for Tommy La Stella (stealing this one from @Chicago White Sox), re-sign Leury (2 years; $8M), trade Kade McClure, Micker Adolfo and Blake Rutherford (perhaps Collins could factor into this deal as well instead of McClure) to PIT for Jacob Stallings, trade Kimbrel to Phillies for Seranthony Dominguez and Mickey Moniak (Phils take whole bill), sign Chris Archer (1 year; $7.5M full of incentives), sign Jose Quintana to minor league deal. Re-sign Tepera (2 years: $15M). QO to Rodon; he rejects. Payroll in this scenario is in the low-$180M, which frankly is about as low as it can realistically be if Sox are serious. What they'll do: I am too scared to guess. Hopefully nothing too shortsighted.

No idea. I truthfully think Eloy is just as unlikely. Eloy will be worth significantly more after next season with something like .290/.340/.565 line with 40 some homers. And honestly, I think he can do better than that. I just can't wrap my head around Hahn getting something more valuable than that back for him.

Yeah, I am going to go with the agree to disagree route. Did you not also see how poor our defense was in the playoffs? Abreu is going no where. Sox are not selling low on Eloy. Maybe Vaughn is dangled this offseason, but I sure as hell hope not. Castellanos is a poor defender. I agree his bat helps this lineup (tho it doesn't help the lineup balance we badly need to address), but he's just not a fit. We need at worst an average defender in RF with Vaughn/Eloy in LF. Nick C. is not that. Yes, he is a good hitter, but Conforto is a far better fit for this lineup. Sounds like you're mostly focused on building the best MLB the Show team, so I will leave it at that.

We don’t need more DHs on this roster.

I don’t think either Castellanos or Schwarber are fits for this team at all. But they’d be far far far far far better options than handing RF to Sheets.

I would say more average than bad. The only reason Conforto is going to be available to the Sox is BECAUSE he had a down season. He's in the midst of his prime, I will take the 6 seasons of 125 wRC+ with a bat that fills a ton of needs for this club as opposed to focusing solely on his 2021. Had he been his regular self in 2021, he'd be looking at a deal well over $100M. Ultimately depends what his market looks like, but I think he'll get a 3-4 year deal between $15-18M AAV. IMO, whoever signs him to that deal is going to be very happy assuming he can stay healthy.

Casty gonna cost more than Conforto anyway. Let's just get the right guy.

Lol. What are you trying to prove here? The $160M figure quoted was not including Cesar’s $6M 22 option. So yes, clearly. But thanks for the needless terminology lesson.

I clearly was referring to his team option not being picked up.

This. Sox are already at $160M with Kimbrel and assuming Cesar is bought out. I don't see how they can't be in the $175-$190M+ range if they're serious about winnings. Even the lower end of that is really only possible if you find takers for Kimbrel and Keuchel.

Definitely screams White Sox tho.

I didn't love the fit when he signed with the Reds, but fuckina it would have been better than the route we went. Really worry about just punting OF defense. Would prefer Conforto, but I guess if we commit to scoring 6+ runs a game, it could work...until it doesn't in October and we're all wondering what happened.

2.2 fWAR which is still hard to believe. Honestly tho, Cesar is probably (disgustingly) one of the better realistic 2B fits on the FA market for the Sox. Once you get past the elite SS which we aren't signing and moving to 2B, you have guys like Eduardo Escobar, Chris Taylor, Donovan Solano, Brad Miller, and Cesar. I may take Escobar over Cesar, but its honestly not that easy of a decision as Cesar is a better defender. Taylor is a better player, but hasn't played a ton of 2B in his career - and while his splits are close to even, he doesn't help balance the lineup. I think the Sox probably buy out Cesar, but I wouldn't be shocked if he's back if they're able to get Conforto in RF. Which I guess I am OK with him in that scenario. Then there are the trade options we've discussed like La Stella, Gregorius, Segura, etc.

I think its pretty safe to assume Leury will get resigned. We'll also have Romy around for stints if needed.

Definitely intriguing. I like La Stella more than a lot of the mid-tier 2B options on the FA market.

That would be some mastery from Hahn. I don't see the Giants that desperate to dump La Stella. If Sox can effectively plug 2B by dumping Keuchel and lowering 2020 payroll by $10M+ in the process, that would be something. La Stella only due $5.25M in 22, jumps up to $11.5M in 23. I think you'd need to add in a notable prospect to make that deal without giving the G's significant salary relief. They Giants also don't really have an in-house replacement to La Stella. Solano I believe is a FA. I like the framework tho.

To be clear, my post was in no way directed at you. Just get annoyed with the constant "how about (insert former or current Cubs player?)" comments on here. Bryant was just the latest one, along with Schwarber. Was Happ yesterday. Will be Baez tomorrow. Never ends.

I don't really see the Kris Bryant fit other than some Sox fans fascination with the Cubs, and inability to survey the rest of the league. For one, he is going to be well outside of the Sox budget, and while he fills a need in RF and theoretically would be a better option than sticking a shitty lefty bat in RF (ala Adam Eaton) purely for handedness, he doesn't solve a lot of the issues the Sox need the their new RF to help fix.

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Why are these mutually exclusive? I don't think anyone is guaranteeing Conforto 5 years. I am taking the under on 4/$75M. I think he'll get between $15-20M AAV on 3-4 year deal. Just said I think the absolutel max he gets is 4/$80M. Not sure what is confusing about any of that. And yes, I think Conforto is far and away the best fit for RF for the Sox on the FA market. I don't think it is even particularly close. So yes, I have been the leading the bandwagon on him for months. Doesn't mean I think he's going to get a Springer deal. Springer is a better player with far less question marks, tho his first season is Toronto was a disaster. I think the deals you're talking about would have been possible for Conforto if he had a big 2021, but I think his struggles will ultimately drop him into the range mentioned above. Which is a big part of the reason I think he is 1) attainable to the Sox; and 2) actually of interest because I wouldn't touch a 5/$120M+ deal with him with a 10 foot pole.

Not a single person has predicted 1/12 or 2/25 that I have seen. And I was on the Conforto bandwagon since like May on this board.

I'll take the under on $20M and 5 years. 4/80M is about the max I could see. My guess is closer to the Grandal deal, and maybe only three years. But I guess we'll see.

Interesting. Well I certainly hope you're right, but definitely a believe it when I see it kind of situation. I'd personally be tickled with Conforto, Escobar (or a trade for someone who is a better defender but hits from left side), Leury and a back-up catcher. The latter three would all cost less than Scherzer.