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    Successful Plan B; What’s Next?

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    Just now, Look at Ray Ray Run said:

    I hear you, but at the same time they would fill the RF gap that they are considering spending 15-18 million a year on anyway. So the upgrade to Bryant is about another 12 million. 

    You'd have to replace Madrigal, but the other pieces aren't really locked into the future with the way the team is constructed. Vaughn is, but at the same time maybe Collins pans out and saves you from having to invest in that position heavily. 

    I'd be happy as a clam if they got Bryant - assuming they were set on signing him obviously. 

    I don't even think its worth the brainpower to analyze.  

    Trade Market for Starting Pitchers...

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    Just now, Baron said:

    Nomar's defense last year and the past few years...yeesh. Can we get a good defensive outfielder for once please? 

    For real. If its for one season, I could live with a shitty defensive RF.  Its not ideal.  But committing to shitty OF defense for 4-5 years in insane.  

     

    Successful Plan B; What’s Next?

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    Just now, Balta1701 said:

    That's the kind of package it would take.

    That's also the kind of package the White Sox can't offer because of the lack of depth in their system. 

    HARD PASS.  Dude is going to make close to $50M in his final 2 years of arb.  Just sign Rendon and give up no assets if thats your plan.  

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    Successful Plan B; What’s Next?

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    1 minute ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said:

    It'll never happen, but it would be awesome and hilarious if the White Sox traded for Kris Bryant to be their RF of the future. Most agree that he won't be at 3rd base long term, with his size.

    Sox could offer a Madrigal, Vaughn, Stiever, and wild card like Hansen/Adolfo etc and might be able to even get it done. Sox would obviously have to be committed to signing him, but that would be great lol.

    Quite a package for 2 years of an expensive player.  

    Trade Market for Starting Pitchers...

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    2 minutes ago, Moan4Yoan said:

    So how many more times will we hear this offseason that the Sox missed out on their target after offering the most money?

    How many more times will we hear you mention the same tired BS over and over and over again?  

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    Cole to the Yankees: 9 years, $324 million.

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    6 minutes ago, shipps said:

    Look at the post above yours. Would you rather it play out like that? Thats all the more likely. 

    I don't see any scenerio where Rick Porcello is the Sox top SP addition, and I don't take anything that guy says seriously.  His next post that doesn't assume the worst for the Sox will be his first.  

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    Successful Plan B; What’s Next?

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    4 minutes ago, SoCalChiSox said:

    What would we have to give up for Maeda/Joc?

     

    Any thoughts?

    Really tough to know.  Maeda is probably pretty disgruntled being jacked around in the bullpen with his contract.  But then again, he is an awfully nice insurance policy to have.  That contract is pretty nice and I imagine alot of teams would like to have him.  I think the Dodgers would be willing to move him, but they certainly don't have to, and it doing so doesn't exactly save them much money.  

    Successful Plan B; What’s Next?

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    7 minutes ago, Hatchetman said:

    Maeda would be great at the price. A valuable asset. Not sure what we'd have to give up.

    His contract is super goofy though. Controlled thru 23 at $3.125M per year, but has a ton of very attainable performance bonuses tied to GS and IP.  

    • Maeda will receive $150,000 each year for making the opening day active 25-man roster.
    • He will receive $1 million for each of 15 and 20 starts, and $1.5 million for each of 25, 30 and 32 starts.
    • Maeda each year will earn $250,000 for each of 90, 100, 110, 120, 130, 140, 150, 160, 170, 180 and 190 innings pitched, and $750,000 for 200 innings.
    • In addition, Maeda receives a $1 million bonus each time he is traded.

    Ryu to Jays - 4 yr/80 mil

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    Posted · Edited by ChiSox59

    5 minutes ago, BackDoorBreach said:

    Man, I would fucking love him if he could just not be a fat injured shit.  I think putting him in a rotation of all righty flamethrowers would add really needed balance as well.  If Jerry said "Fuck it I'm dying soon anyways Lol" and decided to have a top 10 payroll I could stomach it.  I just don't think he's ever going to have an Ilitch moment and not give a shit about payroll.  20 mil per for a guy not on the mound REALLY hurts the WSox.

    So what's your plan then?  Pay Dallas fucking Keuchel $18M AAV?  Sign an extreme flyball pitcher in MadBum to come to the Southside of Chicago?  Acquire the corpse of David Price for $33M AAV?  The Sox have money to spend - they should be acquiring pitching on the FA market, not trading valuable pieces of the future for it.  

    Ryu to Jays - 4 yr/80 mil

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    5 minutes ago, BackDoorBreach said:

    Some of you guys want to sign guys to just sign them.  2019 was the first time Ryu has thrown over 180 IP since 2013, his first year in the league.  Him going on the 10 day DL for fake injuries doesn't explain why he's thrown over 150 IP only 3x in his career, 2 of them coming in 2013 and 2014.  The dude is ALWAYS hurt.  Gambling 80 million dollars he's somehow going to reverse his career norm while being older is foolish.

    Wheeler had 1 big injury with set backs.  It's not close to being the same as Ryu's history.

    Even with Ryu missing half of 2018, he still amassed 6.7 fWAR the last two seasons.  Using a super conservative estimate of $8M per 1 fWAR, he's been worth ~$54M the last two seasons.  The guy is good enough that he can definitely be worth his salary even if he averages 125 IP per year over the course of his contract (which is his career average).  

    I don't want to sign guys just to sign them.  The farthest thing.  I want to sign Ryu because he is the best available SP (besides the guy we're never getting) on the market, and we need SP.  I also think his market will be somewhat suppressed due to his injury history.  The guy isn't going to come to the Sox and become an 180+ IP per season workhorse, but the Sox also don't necessarily need him to be that guy.  

    Ryu to Jays - 4 yr/80 mil

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    4 minutes ago, SoxBlanco said:

    I actually want Ryu as well, so I'm agreeing with you that he's the next best option.  But Ryu is probably more likely to get injured.  It is true that they've missed the same amount of time due to injury, but based on their injury histories, I would say Ryu is more likely to miss time over the next couple of years.

    That being said, I wouldn't worry about that at all. He was fairly healthy last year, and we have reserves coming back from injury to fill in for him if he does go down.

    For sure - no doubt he is an injury risk.  But he's also really fucking good when he's healthy, and we have Kopech arriving in June, Rodon after the ASB.  If he can stay healthy the 1st half of the year, we should be able to stomach an IL stint or two.  

    Ryu to Jays - 4 yr/80 mil

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    Just now, palehose05 said:

    It's true that Ryu has had a history of injuries, but I don't remember them being to his arm. It's worth pointing out that he pitched for the Dodgers who had serious depth in their pitching staff. With as many SP's they had on their staff, they manipulated the DL by placing their players on/off for smaller non-significant injuries due allowing the SP's to rest, or they would place guys on the DL or put them in the bullpen (aka Maeda) to limit their IP's so they don't reach their incentives in the contract. 

    This too. Dodgers have had the luxury of taking it easy on Ryu.  I have to doubt that he'd have pitched more innings for pretty much any other organization.  

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