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Just now, Moan4Yoan said:
If the rumors are true, Hahn has tried to acquire Joc in back-to-back offseasons. Maybe the Dodgers are asking too much.
There are other options.
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4 minutes ago, CWSpalehoseCWS said:
I'd be very happy with either of those two. Tsutsugo makes no sense. He's got 12 games in RF for his career, and Baseball-Reference doesn't show any fielding statistics since 2017. Unless that's an error, he's strictly a DH.
Frankly Castellanos and Ozuna should be strictly DHs as well when Eloy is in the other corner.
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1 minute ago, Moan4Yoan said:
Do you really think this contract is in any way reflective of the free agent market? An outfielder, arguably the first or second best available, who just turned 29 is going to sign a 3 year deal?
No, I don't think Ozuna is going to sign a deal under 4 years or under like $18M AAV. I also think handing Ozuna a 4 year deal and committing to dogshit OF defense for the next 4 years is not a move we should be making.
If it were up to me, I'd be trading lesser prospects for a 1 year RF stop gap, and spending my money on SP, a decent veteran pen arm and some bench help.
If the Ozuna deal goes through, I will reserve final judgement until I see the dollars and years, but I really don't like the fit at all. I also admit that he's an enormous upgrade over what we have, and I think his bat plays just fine in RF. The defense is what bothers me.
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50 minutes ago, GreenSox said:
Name them. Edit: Contreras was an excellent trade.
Vazquez*, Danks, Peavy, Wells and Garcia were nothingballs. Ritchie and Jackson were bad. Liriano was a terrible trade. Samardjzija and Shields damaged the organization. I'm sure I've forgotten some.
*Could be moved to the "Bad" category.To call danks a "nothingball" is insane. Guy was really really good before he got hurt. 4 seasons in a row he accumulated 15 fWAR. That is quite good.
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1 hour ago, GreenSox said:
They haven't made a good trade for a starting pitcher since before the Kenny Williams era. A few have been pure disasters.
They seem hell- bent on repeating the things that don't work, and not repeating the things that do.
Just a couple of #4s would really help this staff.Regarding the bolded - it seems to me that fans here on the ones hellbent on repeating past mistakes. To this point, the Sox haven't actually made any of those moves.
Trading Madrigal or Cease or really any major piece of the future would be one of those moves.
As would signing Ozuna to anything over 3/$50M.
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That Shins cat on Twitter (salt and such), says that the Ozuna signing would be as primary DH, occasional OF.
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3 minutes ago, fathom said:
Wait, people wouldn’t want to trade Madrigal + for Snell? If you can keep Robert and Vaughn, you can give them everyone in the farm
I would much rather trade Vaughn than Madrigal at the moment. Unless Sox wanted to get splashy with Rendon, which is a pipedream.
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Just now, Jose Abreu said:
I think the activity in the weeks before the meetings is a good indicator that this won't be like the last few
Agreed. But I've felt that other recent WM would be busy, and they weren't. So again, I will believe it when I see it - but not saying it won't happen.
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2 minutes ago, fathom said:
Might be dumb question, but when do most moves start to get completed?
We'll see some stuff tomorrow am for sure, but not sure if it will be a flurry or not. Tonight is possible - heard most teams were getting into SD this weekend.
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1 minute ago, soxfan2014 said:
Vaughn is probably a good start but probably need a better second piece than the rest of that package. I would think it that was an offer, it would get beaten. That is, if he is even available.
Yah. I would think the Rays would value players that are all need MLB ready, all without a day of MLB service time. But yah, I hear ya. Snell is so good - I doubt they're looking to trade him yet. They'll wait until middle of 2021 when he's getting more expensive.
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3 minutes ago, EloyJenkins said:
It's about to be a CRAZY week at winter meetings. Every major FA may be signed
I will believe it when I see it. Last several winter meetings were snoozers.
Won't stop me from being an incredibly unproductive employee for three days though.
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Just now, HahnsKiddieTable said:
He was pretty pissed Pham was traded but other than that no.
Yah, I mean, I doubt that would be enough to convince the Rays to move him. But they're also an org that may have some interest in some of our spare parts. Would Vaughn, Dunning, Collins and Basabe offer get you laughed at?
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Besides the Rays being the Rays, is there any reason to believe they're actually looking to trade Snell?
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3 minutes ago, reiks12 said:
it sucks we are going to have to give up a huge prospect because someones wife/fiance didnt want to live in Chicago. Unreal.
I really don't see the Sox moving major prospects (Robert, Madrigal, Cease, Kopech, and major young pieces at MLB level). Give 60% of the Wheeler offer to Ryu. Sign a backend SP or trading from prospects that don't currently project to be major pieces in 2020.
Trading anything that projects to be a major piece moving forward after going through this process would be something. I guess I could see a scenario where moving Vaughn makes some sense, but it would be for a major piece in addition to signing Ryu - not in lieu of.
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8 minutes ago, fathom said:
Dylan Cease + for Thor
And then still have 2 rotation spots to fill? Not saying I wouldn't do that deal - I would - but we're not really in a position to be trading from our limited MLB SP crop.
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21 minutes ago, Greek-konerko said:
Robbie ray,happ, de grom, Walker
One of these is not like the others.
Walker is also a FA.
I'd love a Robbie Ray + Peralta to Sox deal. Worth noting Ray is a FA after 2020 though.
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49 minutes ago, Moan4Yoan said:
I know, they should wait until next year when Betts is a free agent. Surely they would sign him... 😂
Thankfully there are at least 4 great to very good options that are FA next offseason. Betts is a pipedream, but I would take all over Springer, Joc and Brantley over Ozuna or Castellanos from 21-23/24 timeframe.
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33 minutes ago, SoxAce said:
I still hope Sox find someone better than Leury on the bench.. mostly because I'm tired of watching the idiotic crap he does out there. Gotta be one of the lowest baseball I.Q. players I've seen since De Aza.
If the Sox were going to jettison Leury, he would have been nontendered. He is going to be on the roster.
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35 minutes ago, Lillian said:
That looks pretty realistic and appealing to me, although I question why they would need Gennett.
Someone to play 2B until Madrigal arrives. Backup option thereafter. Maybe an option to play corner OF if someone needs a day off. I personally prefer Derek Dietrich for that role on a cheap 1 year deal, but Gennett would be fine too. It would be nice to have a decent option to fill in for a couple weeks when injuries happen - Yoan specifically has exhibited that he is probably a guy that is going to spend a stint or two on IL each season.
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50 minutes ago, Lillian said:
Wow, that is way off. That's less than $15 Million per year. I guess they're not worth paying much attention to, regarding projected salaries. Never mind.
I definitely wouldn't say MLTBR isn't worth paying attention to in regard to their projections. But they made their predictions before any moves had been made. So far, of the major free agents that have signed, almost all of them have been bigger deals than most expected. So I think everyone's "updated assumptions" have increased, and MLBTR doesn't revise their original projections as the market develops.
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Just now, Moan4Yoan said:
I‘m not so sure about the cost of Joc being only fringe prospects. I realize that Pham was under control for two years but he still cost more than fringe prospects. I guess we will see the true cost of guys like Joc and Peralta when and if they are traded.
Joc would cost a little more than Peralta, for sure. But you can definitely get Joc without any of our premium prospects or current MLB pieces.
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1 hour ago, Orlando said:
Castillo is doubling down. I tweeted at him and he followed me and DM me saying that we well all get the news tomorrow. He’s convinced.
Ask him for the contract terms.
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1 hour ago, Moan4Yoan said:
There is no perfect fit that won’t cost talent. Who is a better fit than Ozuna who will only cost money (and a second round draft pick)?
Both Joc and Peralta should not cost anything more than fringe prospects we're very unlikely to miss, both play better defense than Ozuna, both cost less $ on an AAV basis, both are 1 year commitments, both leave RF open for a nice 2021 class for RF. They also both bat left handed which is a nice plus as well.
If the Sox sign Ozuna, I won't HATE it. I really don't like the fit, but he is an enormous upgrade over what we had out there in 2019, and all internal options. But I really hate the Sox basically punting OF defense for the term of the contract. Good teams don't punt defense, especially with a young developing pitching staff.
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5/$90M? Really? My lord that would be so bad.
Sox in on Marcell Ozuna? I mean, maybe. Or not.
in Pale Hose Talk
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Really hope today comes and goes without any Ozuna to Sox news. Then we’ll know the report was BS.