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1 minute ago, mqr said:
It is?
No.
At the point, my plan A would be to pivot to Cole and Strasburg, understanding that is likely a pipedream.
Plan B: Get Ryu on a reasonable 3 year deal, and find a 1 year stop gap for the other spot.
Overpaying MadBum, or trading from our elite prospects to add pitching isn't the answer.
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5 minutes ago, bmags said:
Clearly the white sox weren't in a position where meeting the offer was enough. Because we have learned that he accepted the phillies offer. So again, they tried to hit the bare minimum required and it failed. And we should all celebrate.
If the guys preference was to stay on the East Coast, you're already offering him more than most imagined he'd get a couple months ago, you're the top bidder, at the tippy top of your valuation, AND he's turning down multiple millions to play elsewhere due to family ties....it just probably wasn't going to work out.
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9 minutes ago, chw42 said:
If that's all it took, I would have been ok with us taking a chance on him.
They're getting 4 minor league pitchers, it sounds like.
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22 minutes ago, Jack Parkman said:
Hard pass on Ryu.
Ya, you've said that. But your analysis makes no sense. How can one be so against Ryu, and so for Wheeler. They've both struggled to stay healthy, and while Wheeler is a little younger and may have more upside, he's undeniably been the lessor of the two pitchers over any period of time you wish to select.
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18 minutes ago, TaylorStSox said:
I disagree, but okay.
MadBum isn't good anymore. He'd give up 50 home runs pitching in Chicago in the summer.
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I'd prefer Ryu 100x over Madbum. Just really uninterested in Madbum, especially at the rumors prices.
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52 minutes ago, SonofaRoache said:
We offered 5 and 100, the Phillies came and offered 5 and 115. Once again, we are in second place just like Jerry likes it.
Wrong.
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13 minutes ago, TaylorStSox said:
I think Wheeler is a better pitcher than Bumgarner, but I also think Bumgarner is a better fit for the Sox. Roster construction matters.
No, no he is not a better fit than Wheeler.
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4 minutes ago, Orlando said:
WOW. Stop the b****ing, fellas.
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7 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said:
What are these other “quality” options?
Give Strasburg $200M over 6 years.
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Just now, fathom said:
Confirmed by?
Like every single baseball reporter over the last 48 hours.
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2 minutes ago, Kiebs13 said:
when does Bob leak the sox offer? any minute now, right?
Its been well document that the Sox had an offer on the table of 5/$100M-$110M.
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4 minutes ago, Sleepy Harold said:
5/$100M was my max. Was willing to stretch to 5/$115, full well knowing that it could blow up.
It sucks to lose out on Wheeler, but I don't think this is the end of the world.
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Meh. Doesn't really fit our window of when we'd need him most with his suspension.
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4 minutes ago, cjgalloway said:
I hate the idea of penciling in McCann for any DH at bats.
Hate it all you want, but McCann is a lifetime .269/.331/.481 (136 OPS+) against LHP. I assume he'll catch alot against LHP with Grandal at DH/1B, but he is likely going to get some DH starts against LHP. Especially if the RF we add is a lefty (like Joc or Peralta) in which case Leury will likely already be in the OF a lot on those days, which means you can't shift Eloy to DH against LHP on a regular basis.
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1 minute ago, Jack Parkman said:
Oh he's good, when he's healthy. Which rarely happens. He's been in MLB for 6 seasons and has pitched 160+ innings only twice.
Yes, he is injured a lot. I do think you have to at least consider the fact that LAD has been LOADED with SP during his tenure, and likely took it alot easier on him than other orgs would have. I think he would have thrown more innings / made more starts for pretty much every other org. But yes, he's fragile. No denying that. I do think that risk will be priced in though - whereas Wheeler has also been injured alot, and seemingly there will be no discount whatsoever for that risk.
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Just now, Jack Parkman said:
Idk why you even like Ryu. He's made of glass. I have no interest whatsoever in him. Especially when Boras is involved.
Maybe the fact that he has a career ERA of 2.98 and career FIP of 3.32. Ryu is really good. Yes he is an injury risk. But even if he only starts 20-25 games for you, he's going to be a very good pitcher for you when he's on the mound.
His injury history will also depress his market, so his price tag shouldn't be outrageous. I'd prefer Wheeler over Ryu all things being equal. But if one costs 6/$130M and the other costs 3/$55M-60M, I am taking Ryu.
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This one played out weird.
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7 minutes ago, Balta1701 said:
Adam Dunn. Literally even before Thanksgiving.
Fair enough. Almost a decade ago now, and obviously things have changed significantly since then leading to the narratives that we're discussing but that is a fair signing to comp to Grandal.
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6 minutes ago, GreatScott82 said:
What other options do they have? Trade for 1 year of Joc Pederson in an attempt to get into the outragous bidding war for Mookie Betts next off season? We all know how that will end.
Find a stop gap RF for a year. Joc is an option. David Peralta is an option. Kole Calhoun is an option. There are others.
With Abreu in the fold for three more years for sure now, signing Castellanos locks in one of, if not THE, worst OF defense in the league. With a young pitching staff, that is a just a horrible situation.
Trade spare parts for a 1 year stop gap, or sign a guy on 1 year deal. There are several (in addition to Betts) high end RF FA next offseason. Fill that gap long term then.
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3 minutes ago, DirtySox said:
I'm also wondering if the Sox miss out on Wheeler, do they pivot hard to RF? All in on Castellanos?
I sure hope not. Would be such a bad long term play.
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Just now, Balta1701 said:
How exactly did that contract dispel any narratives? I guess them not leaking it in advance dispels the narrative that they leak everything, but they've signed position players and even specifically DHs to contracts that are, inflation adjusted, comparable.
When is the last time the Sox went out and signed a top 5 free agent - who was arguably the best position player fit on the market for the org - to a record breaking contract by outbidding their competition before Thanksgiving?
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Just now, Dick Allen said:
Not yet, but maybe in a few years. I remember in 2005 I said to myself, just let them win the WS, I won't care if they suck for a decade. I cared.
Yah, its so easy to say who cares about years 5-6. But the people who say that will definitely care when years 5 and 6 come around.
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Just now, Jack Parkman said:
Yeah, this is where I'm at. Once you get into Corbin territory, the risk outweighs the reward.
Yah, I mean obviously you don't sign high end FAs for surplus value. But there is just no upside in a deal like that. Sox need SP. Sox need to stick their neck out a bit on Wheeler. But they also cannot afford to massively overpay a guy. If he ends up producing like 6-8 WAR over the course of a 6 year $130M contract, that could be a serious hindrance to this upcoming contention window from 2020-2025.
Zack Wheeler: To the Phils (5yr 118); Sox had made BIGGER offer
in Pale Hose Talk
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I hear ya. I am frustrated as well. Wheeler was the best (realistic) fit. But he sounded a fuck load better at 4/$80M as we all hoped in early October, or even 5/$100M than 5/$130M or whatever it would have required to pry him to the midwest.
Wheeler isn't necessarily an organizational changing player. He's a good not great pitcher getting paid like he's ELITE, with limited track record to back it up. I would have been happy to get him a 5/$120M, but also am OK acknowledging that anything over that would have been crazy.
Life goes on. This hurts for 2020 for sure, but I think that there is better than a coin flip's chance that deal turns into a nightmare. And to be clear, I said that multiple times before today.