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Just now, BackDoorBreach said:
I mean they probably don't want to give 80 million dollars to a guy who might pitch 150 innings once or twice in a 4 year deal. I am fine with that.
They just offered a guy 5/$125M who literally has been injured the exact same amount as Ryu.
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1 hour ago, bmags said:
Just listening to Heyman on the score, he says he's not hearing sox at all on Ryu, have heard them on keuchel.
Does not make sense to me.
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Honest question - why would the Sox target Frazier? The guy literally solves none of our issues, and his former prospect status alone means he probably still for some godforsaken reason has trade value.
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1 hour ago, cjgalloway said:
Ray/Peralta.
Please. Would like be the cheapest of the options prospect-wise - besides maybe Beni/Price due to Price's contract - as both Ray and Peralta are only controlled through 2020. Dbacks aren't just going to hand over Ray, though.
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36 minutes ago, hi8is said:
Man, the new guys around here all seem to hate this team with a passion.
Why even post if you’re primarily just going to be pessimistic and full of spite?
This literally applies to at least 70% of the posters here.
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11 minutes ago, BackDoorBreach said:
He wants Gregory Polanco, lol.
I actually want David Peralta. Or Joc. Or I’d be fine with Calhoun. Someone who can play some defense would be nice.
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People sure love to ignore defense around here.
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Sensed a little attitude with Hahn to Levine at the start. Was fun to watch.
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Quite simply - the Sox need to sign Ryu. He's the best bet remaining. Give him 4 years if you have to - you can't tell me 4/$84M isn't the high offer right now. At that point, you sign a Walker, Wood, Porcello, or Lindbloom caliber for the other spot, and pitching is looking soooo much better.
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51 minutes ago, poppysox said:
Ryu and Kuechel would firm up the staff substantially. I know its not Wheeler and Scherzer but in all honesty those contracts border on insane.
Yah, I mean - if I am the Sox, I am doing everything I can to get Ryu right now. Everything falls into place if you have Ryu. Much less so IMO if its Keuchel.
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4 minutes ago, Balta1701 said:
Is that an "Impact trade? I mean, maybe? Congratulations you've traded your 2 fWAR pitcher with 4 years of control for a 3 fWAR pitcher with 2 years of control, and now you still need the same number of additional pitchers?
Exactly. Pass.
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Just now, bmags said:
He pitched in the last game of 2019...did he get injured again (sincerely asking the b-ref news didn't mention it)
No, sorry - just missed that.
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2 minutes ago, Superstar Lamar said:
Alex Wood
Yah, Alex Wood is my favorite pick. But Walker is up there now that he is available. Frankly, you could do both. Not sure if Walker is even going to be an option OD. Porcello would be OK too I guess.
Lindbloom is interesting as well. Smyly as a dirt cheap option.
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24 minutes ago, cjgalloway said:
I've gone from excitement over the winter meetings to nervousness and fear. I really do not want us to trade our young core (Cease, Madrigal and Vaughn). . We just are not to that point yet.
I really don't think Hahn is going to trade any of the super notable pieces. I could see Vaughn going in the right deal I guess if Sox are serious about signing either of Catellanos or Ozuna. But I REALLY don't see any of Madrigal, Robert, Cease, Kopech, Eloy, etc. going anywhere.
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34 minutes ago, Moan4Yoan said:
Try to stick to facts. Are you referring to $25M AAV that was never spent by the Sox?
Not spending money doesn’t fit your narrative either but you are trying to use it to.
I don't think the Sox are ever going to be one of the premier spenders in baseball, and I DO think that they need to spend their money wisely. I also do give the Sox credit for offering Wheeler 5/$125M. There is nothing you can do when you offer the guy a deal above what all 29 other clubs would offer, and he still won't take it. I do expect them to spend most if not all of that $125M yet this offseason, that ya' know, just started.
What happened last offseason happened last offseason. Its over, and frankly, we're not in a meaningfully worse place because of it. But please continue to drag every conversation back to that - its so much fun to talk about!
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3 minutes ago, Moan4Yoan said:
The franchise history contract was a joke to begin with. It’s time to play with the big boys.
Has being a Sox fan under this ownership and management lowered your expectations so much as to think that $73 million is a huge sum of money in the MLB these days? It’s not.
$25M AAV for a good not great pitcher is in fact a huge sum of money. But you dismiss because it doesn't fit your narrative. You're not worth arguing with, continue to b**** away about nothing in early December if you so choose. No matter what the Sox do, you'll complain.
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Just now, Moan4Yoan said:
My narrative? It’s a fact that the money was never spent. They didn’t sign Machado or Wheeler.
Did you ever think a team would want to appear like they are going after the big fish to appease their fan base? Being short $50 million in guaranteed money for a player is a far cry from signing said player.
JFC dude, its December 9th. They just tried to break the largest contract in franchise history twice within 2 weeks. STFU.
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1 minute ago, Soxbadger said:
Keuchel on a market rate deal is okay with me.
I mean....in this market, what is a market rate deal for him? We need a good SP. Keuchel would be a fine 2nd SP addition, but we don't really need 2 SP on multiyear deals. We need one a multiyear deal and one on a 1 year deal.
Kuechel for 3/$45M is whatever, but if that's you best SP addition, we're basically punting 2020.
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1 minute ago, Moan4Yoan said:
Once again, I don’t care about players and contracts that never came to fruition and you shouldn’t either. $73 million is still the record contract for the Sox.
You only don't care because it doesn't fit your narrative.
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Just now, Jack Parkman said:
Not really. Lopez was a better pitcher by fWAR in 2019. Think about that for a minute.
I don't want Keuchel. But this is silly way to look at it.
WAR is a counting stat. Kuechel sat out half the season.
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Per Heyman.
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1 minute ago, southsideirish71 said:
Why is it your money?
Lol, of course its not my money. But the Sox are always going to be a team on a budget. Paying average players a shit ton of money, and trading away cheap controllable talent are the two best ways to ensure we end up right where we were before we traded Sale, Eaton and Quintana.
So yes, I care deeply about how the Sox allocate their funds, and you should too.
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Just now, steveno89 said:
I wouldn't call potentially signing Ozuna desperate. He's an above average starter that is way better than any current Sox mlb or farm internal option.
I would. Its desperate because he's not a good fit for the overall roster construction. As @bmags said earlier today, we should be analyzing deals based on putting the club in the best position to contend for the upcoming window, not compared to the hot garbage we threw out there in 2019. Of course Ozuna is an upgrade over that -- pretty much any MLB regular would be.
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1 minute ago, Dick Allen said:
It looks like many on this board still think Santa will be coming down their chimney. JR owns the team . Probably is a better source than a nobody in the DR.
Yah, but Santa is delivering a toy that was like...super cool in 2016, but is now just something that was.
Ryu to Jays - 4 yr/80 mil
in Pale Hose Talk
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It is true though. You can discount it because one had TJS and one didn't if that's what you want to do, but they both came to the big leagues in 2013, and they're within 10 IP of one another. Yes, Wheeler missed more time with 1 specific injury, Ryu the same amount of time with mutliple injuries, but they've pitched the same amount in their MLB career. Also, I don't believe Ryu has had any arm injuries in over 3 years.
Ryu is not perfect, but he is by the far the best remaining option. 4/$85M is pretty rich for him, but I'd be willing to do it. If it gets much over that, that's pretty brutal.