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WOW. Just fucking guarantee the $25M in 27-28 and we have him. This just makes me more mad.

I love how everyone thinks cancelling mlb.tv is someway somehow a jab that the White Sox will feel. The White Sox are not affected in any way shape or form by you cancelling mlb.tv. Note - this isn't directed only at you, German. Its been all over this board today.

Anyone have a link to Hahn's comments today?

He's also paid 2.5x what Alonso is paid, and is signed for an extra season for another $20M. Details and shit.

Lol, releasing them would be the worst possible thing the Sox could do. Jay is actually still an upgrade for this team. But I'd rather just give younger guys who actually have a chance at being a part of the next team his at bats assuming our current 25 man is our OD 25 man. He made more sense as a marginal upgrade with Machado manning the hot corner. Alonso is actual legit major leaguer. I am sure the Sox could get a similar prospect to what they gave up (Alex Call) to trade him. I wouldn't be shocked to see that happen. May as well just let Palka DH everyday. Though I suspect we now see Palka in RF most days.

Yah, I disagree. I put the chances of Arenado signing an extension with the Rockies at less than 1%. I also put the chances of his signing with Sox at less than 5%. I mean obviously I would be excited for the Sox to sign Bryce. But MM was just 10x the fit, IMO.

I don't even want Bryce for what he is going to get. Rather save the bullet for Rendon/Arenado. Bryce is going to be an albatross, and isn't even half the fit than Manny was.

Opt out after 5, Passan is saying.

Unfuckingbelievable.

Potentially yah. But if that trade was going to happen, why didn't it happen in the offseason? I don't see the Indians trading Kluber midseason. But yah, Verdugo could definitely be used to get a starter. That being said, the Dodgers aren't exactly short on SP. Kershaw, Buehler, Ryu, Hill, Maeda, Urias, Stripling....I don't think they really need to trade a young stud OF for a SP right now.

I agree Yolmer is decent enough. He's a solid utility guy and a guy that can fill in for a few weeks for a DL stint and you don't feel too bad about plugging him in. But he's no where near as good as Eduardo Escobar, IMO. Escobar has had 4 straight seasons of above average OPS+ seasons, including 118 and 127 his last two seasons. Yolmer will never sniff that. I am not saying lets cut Yolmer or anything, but I don't think you're getting anything for him via trade, and I'd rather roll the dice with Rondon for a season than Yolmer. At least let them share 2B duties. Again, hopefully this isn't an issue once Machado is in the fold.

Exactly. I think moving Moncada to 3B makes a ton of long term sense if the Sox whiff on Machado. Which obviously would suck. I'd probably rather give Rondon everyday at bats at 2B than Yolmer at this point though. We know what Yolmer is....we don't yet know what Rondon can do on an everyday basis, and he is out of options. That being said, I'd much prefer Machado at 3B, keep Yoan at 2B, and worry about where to play Madrigal when it becomes a problem. That would be an excellent problem to have.

Pederson is definitely expendable if they hold onto Verdugo, which at this point it sure seems they are. The Pollock move doesn't make a ton of sense if they were married to Joc. Now...that doesn't mean they'll just give him away for Aaron Bummer. LF: Verdugo CF: Pollock RF: Bellinger 3B: Turner SS: Seager 2B: Taylor 1B: Muncy Supersub: Hernandez

I agree...but they could still sign Keuchel.

I agree. But what is he going to say? A comment like "We would absolutely love to sign both and will do everything in our power to get both on the Southside." doesn't exactly help is negotiating power. I think Harper has always been a pipe dream and I don't think there is much interest on his end, but if the Sox are able to get MM signed for something like 7/$220 or 8/$250M, I do think the Sox will at least continue to monitor the Harper market. If MM ends up costing more like $300M over 8 years, I kind of doubt they even both continuing talks with Bryce.

I doubt Rosario would be interested in a long term deal. He's going to get paid in FA if he keeps pace of a his last couple seasons.

Which means Jay knows. Which means at least a couple other dudes on the team know. Which means their wives know. Which means the wives family knows. I don't buy it. If he had definitely made up his mind, it would be out there. I am sure he is leaning one way or another and Yonder knows, but until he signs...doesn't mean much.

I don't see it happening either, but I could maybe see them trying to get Harper on a frontloaded deal that he is likely to opt out of after 3-4 years. Get Machado on a straight 7/$220M or 8/$250M....then Harper on a 3 or 4 year type deal at $45-50M AAV where it can swell to 8-10 years, but at "team friendly" terms which means Harper will likely opt out again once Trout resets the whale market. Pipe dream...but theoretically possible, and wouldn't totally ruin the team's flexibility moving forward. But don't see Philly allowing us to get both. Really only see it as a possibility if Harper just really doesn't want to play in Philly.

BOOOOO

Which is why I said $150M-$200M over that 5 year span. Sox payroll is about $80M right now. Add Machado and Harper, and its going to be damn close to $150M in 2019 without any other additions (like adding a legitimate 5th starter, or trading for Pederson, etc. - both moves you should probably make if you're adding both MM and Harper).

I mean, I basically said as much. I think people are just spitballing. There has basically been nothing tying the Sox to Harper since the Winter Meetings.

It could definitely be done. Heck, give Harper an opt out after 4 years. The Sox just need to be willing to operate in the $150M-200M range for 2020-2025. But Hahn has already said 2 isn't happening. Maybe if Machado gets 7/$220M or something it opens the door a crack, but I doubt it.

I bet Sox try to rekindle the talks if they do eventually land MM. I'd still really prefer to see someone other than Engel in CF everyday, and I don't think Jay in a legitimate everyday option in CF.

Did Hahn already do his presser today for 1st day of ST?

Looks like he used a block glove with orange lettering for the majority of his time in BAL. Used a tan glove with black trim in LAD and perhaps his final season in BAL as well.