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Why follow a team if it causes you so much anguish on a daily basis over years? I love the Sox. I always will. I am beyond pissed right now, and if I actually lived in Chicago I would do something about it and attend far less games than I usually would. But I don't live in Chicago, and I will continue to watch the team, because that is what I have done since I was a young child. I think the Sox have done a poor job in a lot of areas in the last decade. I think yesterday was near the top. I think they deserve a ton of ridicule and I think they deserve every bit of lacklash they will get this offseason. I am pretty much done with JR. But I still love the team, and I will still root like hell for them, and I don't openly hate every single decision they make (though I do hate them not just guaranteeing $50M more to MM) and act like I could actually be better at the professionals jobs than they are. But that is just my opinion.

To be fair, you've openly hated pretty much everything about the white sox long before yesterday.

I could get behind that.

I wouldn't surprise me if the Sox were indeed out on Harper, but Nightengale's tweet doesn't mean anything. Its just as likely to be a plant from the Sox hoping the Phillies think they are in fact the only team in, as opposed to the Sox actually being out.

I suspect he'll be shipped out as soon as Hahn finds someone who will absorb his salary. That could be this week, it could be in June.

I would be excited if we signed Harper, but the disappointment when he signs elsewhere for me personally won't even come close to what I felt yesterday. Harper is going to be a bad contract. We have a slew of OF prospects. The fit isn't that great.

If Manny Machado is still a really good player at 34, I dont think the Sox are manipulating his plate appearances. Obviously they would and they should if sucked at that point and they wanted him off the team. Again - I understand why MM took the $50M guranteed over the chance at an additional $20M. I'd probably do the same thing if I were him. But its not like he needed to finish top 3 in the MVP voting to get it. 550 plate appearances, while not something he is directly in control of, is not this enormous bar to clear. If he was still a good and productive player, with inflation, I am sure the Sox would have been happy to pay the $35M in 9 years. But it is what it is now.

Dude, I do understand. I just said that exact thing. Of course the Sox could make sure he doesn't hit those PA if he sucks at 34 years old. This isn't rocket science.

Not really. Machado has had over 600 plate appearances in 5/6 full seasons in the big leagues. Sure it could be manipulated if he's an albatross at 34 years old, but lets not act like 550 plate appearances is a tough bar to clear for a healthy player that will likely be well on their way to the HOF at age 34. But yah, I get why Machado preferred the $50M guaranteed - especially as a guy that I could definitely see coasting a bit now that he's signed the richest FA contact in the history of american sports.

Matt Klentak (Phillies GM) also said that they felt $300M was well over their valuation of Machado. So skepticism on the the Phillies willingness to blow by $300M for Harper should also be considered.

Yah, I don't disagree - just sharing what was said. IMO - KW should just keep his mouth shut. What he said was actually pretty much false - they may have been unwilling to guarantee $300M, but if the rumored $250M + $35M + $35M with two fairly attainable vesting options is true, they were definitely willing to go over $300M. They just got too cute.

He did. But Hahn also said pretty much the opposite like 90 minutes later.

If Machado's next 5 seasons are event 75% as good as his last 5 seasons, I think he will most definitely beat 5/$150M as a 31 year old.

I can tell you with 100% certainty the Sox have people in the front office that monitor twitter and message boards. Its probably not Rick and KW, but they have people who report to Rick and KW that do.

Or this just shows that Machado just flat out preferred SD. Looking to me like that was the case of this info from Nightengale and Rosenthal is legit.

WOW. Just fucking guarantee the $25M in 27-28 and we have him. This just makes me more mad.

I love how everyone thinks cancelling mlb.tv is someway somehow a jab that the White Sox will feel. The White Sox are not affected in any way shape or form by you cancelling mlb.tv. Note - this isn't directed only at you, German. Its been all over this board today.

Anyone have a link to Hahn's comments today?

He's also paid 2.5x what Alonso is paid, and is signed for an extra season for another $20M. Details and shit.

Lol, releasing them would be the worst possible thing the Sox could do. Jay is actually still an upgrade for this team. But I'd rather just give younger guys who actually have a chance at being a part of the next team his at bats assuming our current 25 man is our OD 25 man. He made more sense as a marginal upgrade with Machado manning the hot corner. Alonso is actual legit major leaguer. I am sure the Sox could get a similar prospect to what they gave up (Alex Call) to trade him. I wouldn't be shocked to see that happen. May as well just let Palka DH everyday. Though I suspect we now see Palka in RF most days.

Yah, I disagree. I put the chances of Arenado signing an extension with the Rockies at less than 1%. I also put the chances of his signing with Sox at less than 5%. I mean obviously I would be excited for the Sox to sign Bryce. But MM was just 10x the fit, IMO.

I don't even want Bryce for what he is going to get. Rather save the bullet for Rendon/Arenado. Bryce is going to be an albatross, and isn't even half the fit than Manny was.

Opt out after 5, Passan is saying.

Unfuckingbelievable.

Potentially yah. But if that trade was going to happen, why didn't it happen in the offseason? I don't see the Indians trading Kluber midseason. But yah, Verdugo could definitely be used to get a starter. That being said, the Dodgers aren't exactly short on SP. Kershaw, Buehler, Ryu, Hill, Maeda, Urias, Stripling....I don't think they really need to trade a young stud OF for a SP right now.