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$1.5M base, incentives up to $5M. Wow - I know both of us really like Pomeranz for this team. Just don't get why we wouldn't gamble on something this cheap. Sox seem pretty content in rolling with one Banuelos/Covey/Stephens/Adams for the 5th spot.

Good, because the Sox aren't signing MM to play SS.

Yah, I've lived in Minneapolis or the surrounding areas for the majority of my life. If it is wonderful place to grow up and a great place to raise a family. A strong economy, good paying jobs, safe, clean, good schools. All four seasons; tons to do in the summer. The lakes are phenomenal. Great fishing, great golfing. All major sports teams. Great food and music scene. It's a great place to live. But the winters are brutal.

I agree, LAD probably doesn't take that deal. But they seem motivated to move Joc. They want to add Pollock and need to move someone. IMO, the whole Joc move makes so much more sense as a LAD salary dump with Hill tied to the deal with minimal return from the Sox, but seems cold water has been thrown on that idea from those in the know.

I said anyone. As in, no other teams are going to be bowling LAD over for Joc either. I wasn't referring to only the Sox. If you can get Joc for something like Bummer + Lambert or Stephens, I am doing it all day everyday, regardless of Machado. I would prefer to hold onto lottery tickets like Fulmer and Bush, personally.

I think that's a fair take. I see it both ways. To be fair, I said if the price isn't that high. If the Sox are acquiring Joc without MM, I think the value I'd be willing to give up would be slightly less. In any event, I don't think anyone is giving up much of anything for Joc with the FA market still flush with options.

I personally just don't think Harper was ever a realistic option for the Sox. I am sure the Sox would have interest if MM goes elsewhere, but I doubt they're paying him what would be required to actually get him to sign here ($360M+). I don't think Bryce is at all interested in playing for the Sox. Just my opinion.

If the price isn't that high, I think the Sox would take Joc regardless of Machado situation.

Why are teams going to give up real assets when you can just go sign a guy like Nick Markakis for $6M? Still some good players on the FA market. I don't think any team is going to be bowling LAD over for Joc.

And going through what is likely a pretty stressful process again in 10-11 months, when you're 1 year older, 1 less year of prime, and 1 full season of injury risk. It makes no sense.

Gordo signs with the Tigers.

I want to see it happen just to see Balta and DA's head explode.

Valencia does still torch LHP - .295/.371/.496 slash his last three seasons. Not really an OF, but did play 17 games in RF last season.

If Joc is added in the coming days, thinking Nicky starts in AAA and Palka is the 3 week stand in, that likely goes to AAA when Eloy arrives. First three weeks: LF: Jay; CF: Joc; RF: Palka; 4th OF: Engel Rest of season: LF: Eloy; CF: Joc; RF: Jay; 4th OF: Engel Engel probably sticks on the roster unless the Sox add a RH bat that can play all three OF positions. Brandon Guyer is a dude who had torched LHP most of his career, but he was awful last season. Maybe someone to look at for an milb deal with an invite to ST, though. Not sure how he is defensively at this point. There really are not any FAs left that can play a legitimate CF other than Pollock.

Holy moly that is cheap

MM is not turning down $200M+ to take a 1 year deal. I promise you.

Gonna need a 35 man active roster for all of Machado's homies.

In another chapter of the terrible ballpark name changes, Miller Park will be called American Family Insurance Park beginning in the 2021 season. Awful.

Why sign for $250M today, when you know that offer will still be there in a month, and you could extract more value from another club, whether that means signing with them, or just getting the sox to up theirs. At this point, this isn't ending any time soon.

Whats the hurry for Machado tho? He knows the White Sox aren't going anywhere.

I was surprised to see how useful Cabrera has still been the last couple seasons. I am also surprised that he's only 32.

This Joc deal still have legs though?

Makes sense. I think most are just spitballing moves that make some sense for both clubs. Taking on Hill would obviously lower the prospect capital needed to acquire Joc, and the Sox do need another SP and still have plenty of payroll space for a spendy 1 year of Hill, afterall. But I also totally understand the Sox not wanting to commit $18M on one year of Rich Hill in what is likely a .500ish season even with Machado, Pederson and Hill on the roster.

Money is a significant issue for the Dodgers if they want to add more FA. They have interest in Pollock, and most people think they're at least monitoring the Bryce market, and LAD is likely a preferred destination for Harper himself. They're bumping up against the luxury tax and moving Hill would allow them to add Pollock or maybe even Harper with some more maneuvering. Its been stated over and over again that LAD is going to do everything in their power to stay under the luxury tax this season. I am not saying the Dodgers are for sure interested in moving Hill, but it definitely makes a ton of sense.

Taking on Rich Hill I assume would quickly move us to the front of the line of bidders on Joc. That likes has more value to the Dodgers than the mid tier prospects they’re gonna get anyway. Id personally prefer to hang onto Fulmer if possible, but it’s not like I think his inclusion is an overpay. I’d just rather give him another season before giving up. Joc + Hill (no money from LAD) Bummer + Lambert + Stephens