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So basically a three year $38M extension? Jose will probably get $16-18M in 2019 via the arbitration process. I'd do that too, but I think Jose would be shooting a tad higher.

If they're as motivated as they sound, I could see them sending $10M per for 5 years along with Cano for a minimal return. Prorating Cano's deal to ~$14M per makes it palatable in the short term anyway. Then trade Haniger for a big return when someone blow you away - they don't need to trade him this offseason, he's controlled a long time.

So he's looking for $16M AAV. I'd give Pollock 3 years and $48M in a heatbeat, maybe even bump up the AAV to $18M-$20M and try to get him for 2 years. I am guessing he'll get at least 4 years, but the QO may hamper the market a bit. Put him in CF in 2019, shift him to a corner when Robert/Basabe/Gonzalez/Rutherford/Adolfo push the issue.

It is certainly intriguing BA, but I don't see the M's giving away their best trade chip to rid themselves of Cano.

I don’t think this is a very good take.

Because effectively signing Cano to a 5-year $120M deal when he is 36 years old is insane, just to acquire a frickin' reliever. That is the type of move that would completely kill any chance of the Sox signing a big FA when they're actually ready, and completely kill the rebuild if Cano fell off a cliff, which he very well may do in his ages 38-41 seasons. There is some level of $$ thrown in by Seattle that makes acquiring Cano at least worth entertaining / spit-balling about, but its at least $50M.

I don't compute how you can behind acquiring Cano at $24M AAV, but completely against signing anyone other than elite FAs unless their market completely craters. It makes absolutely no sense at all.

lol, wut? Pay Cano $120M for his final 5 seasons as a big leaguer, just to acquire a reliever along with him? That is a good use of resources? I hope this was a typo, otherwise your takes are inconsistent AF.

I'm not really in the sign Corbin/Keuchel/Eovaldi to long term contracts bandwagon either. But I don't think guys with some actual upside like Kikuchi or even vets like Gio Gonzalez, Lynn, Ervin Santana, Pomeranz, etc. on two years deals is the worst thing in the world. I'd prefer not to fill the last 2 spots in the rotation with the Santiagos, Shields, Miguel Gonzalez and Hollands of the world.

Having too many good pitchers is a good thing, not a bad thing.

No, incorrect. Cano has $120M on his contract, yes. He has 5 years remaining ($24M per over 5 years = $120M). I clearly said if M's send along $50M with Cano. $120M-$50M=$70M/5=$14M. Math and shit.

He did it for more like a 10-12 game stretch this year and was coming off major operation, so I understand the rust in June and fatigue in September. But yah, Rodon needs to be more consistent. I agree. I just think there are plenty of positives with him - but not surprised to see you focus on the negatives.

You're not that well positioned for the long term if the majority of your long term talent is expensive or nearing FA by the time the minority of your long term talent is ready to compete at the big league level. That is one thing that I haven't really seen addressed by the folks that are so against spending on non-elite talent. If we suck balls again in 2019, we lose another cheap year of control of alot of the future core. As as has been repeated here many times, you can't expect a 40 game improvement in one offseason, so there goes 2020. Before too long, you're looking at 2021 as the first year of respectability. So now your window is basically 2-3 years, and you're now dealing with not so cheap contracts from guys like Moncada, Eloy, Lopez, Rodon (will likely be gone by then), Anderson, etc.

BECAUSE ADDING VETERANS ISN'T "REBUILDING THE RIGHT WAY" AND ITS RESORTING TO THE OLD "KW TACTICS" AND "WINNING 5 EXTRA GAMES IS WORTHLESS". I don't necessarily agree with it, but those in that boat have at least been clear about it. Sign MM or Harper, or just suck again.

I am not terribly concerned about Rodon. He was basically unhittable for 2 months during the season (July and August), sandwiched between understandable rust in June and fatigue in September. He is an injury concern, yes, but most pitchers are. If you're running out a healthy Rodon as your 4th or 5th starter, you're rotation is pretty amazing.

He's good at that.

Me thinks the Astros would be thrilled to have any of those guys, and they had a pretty stacked rotation, they would have found a spot for Rodon.

And if that talent turns out to be "rotten", we're fucked anyway.

Yah, I mean $14M AAV without giving up anything in return doesn't seem THAT awful. Probably would be fine deal for the first 2-3 seasons, and a washout when Cano is 40/41. Again, not advocating the Sox do this, and honestly, I kind of doubt the M's would pay $50M of Cano's contact to play elsewhere without anything in return.

Things seem to be slowly heating up.

Amazing to me so many people (or at least the most vocal) are against this. There are ways to supplement the team without subtracting future pieces, and without blocking future pieces. I think the Sox are in our boat, but they're going to let the market dictate things which is OK with me. Wait and see which guys market tanks or other main suitors fill their roster elsewhere, and then pounce. Ultimately, I am OK with that as I don't really want the Sox setting the market on guys like Nelson Cruz, McCutchen, etc.. Things probably change if the Sox are somehow able to woo MM or Harper, though I am definitely not counting on that.

Dude, I literally just said "for shits and giggles". Just looking to discuss something....I am not advocating for acquiring Cano, and I've said repeatedly (mainly to you and Balta) that I do not support trading away legitimate prospects this offseason. Just curious what Seattle would be expecting in return if they picked up 40% or so of his contract. I don't think any team would give up even a backend top 100 guy in this case.

Those people don't know what they'er talking about. The White Sox aren't acquiring Syndergaard.

Nats ink Henderson Alvarez to a minors deal. Definitely someone I would have liked the Sox taking a flier on.

Just for shits and giggles - what is a package that the M's would even agree to? Cano is due $24M each of the next 5 seasons. M's send along $50M with Cano, lowering AAV to $14M. What kinda of return can they expect with that?