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QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Mar 29, 2017 -> 01:18 PM) Who has some serious doubts about if he can actually be a catcher defensively. Ehh. I think those doubts are overplayed a bit. I think he still has quite a bit of development left to do on the defensive side, but I think the moving off catcher thing had more to do with the fact that his bat is pretty close to ML ready, and everyone figured the Sox would bring him up before he was ready defensively. Now, they have time. They don't have to rush him. The Sox will give him every chance to catch, and they have a history with making poor defensive catchers good ones (see Flowers).

QUOTE (DirtySox @ Mar 29, 2017 -> 01:06 PM) I'm not sure why there is this obsession with Stubbs. I would prefer many other prospects to him. I think people forget that we have one of the best 3 catching prospects in the game.

QUOTE (SoxChinMusic @ Mar 29, 2017 -> 12:24 PM) Absolutely agree. In order to get the proper balance of pitcher(s) and position player(s) w/o sacrificing the quality of prospects, Whitley has the ability to be a TOR starter also. If we were to back off asking for Martes, this may allow us to also get Stubbs. In order to get Stubbs, if we had to work in Jennings or DR, we can do it. Worst case, IF the Astros balk, we could accept Reed and not Whitley with additional tinkering. Reed is simply not quite on the fast track as Tucker may be but I feel he'll work out and is a LHB.. Tucker + Fisher + Whitley + or (Stubbs/Reed).. I'd prefer a handful of guys over Stubbs. We have one the best catching prospects in the game. We badly need talent in the OF. I, too, would be fine passing on Martes, but I'd want Tucker + Fischer + Reed + Laureano + Perez or Whiteley. Throw Jennings in there if you need to.

QUOTE (Baron @ Mar 28, 2017 -> 04:32 PM) What are you not getting? I understand that. I'm simply saying the clock at whatever value the Sox have is ticking. They cant play hard to get for the duration of his contract if they are indeed trying to trade him. Houston is obviously taking a risk with that horrid rotation. Look who the GM is though. It's obvious what he prefers to spend/trade and it's been that way for years. They have plenty of time. The Sox should take no less than what the got for Sale. Sale had 1 less year of control, and some character issues. Plus I think most everyone here thought the Sale trade was 1 good prospect light.

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QUOTE (flavum @ Mar 28, 2017 -> 02:02 PM) May needs to upgrade the uni number. 1, 23, and 49 are available. 44 too. Looks like he is a fan of #1. Also #3, but that ain't happening. I hope he sticks with #64!!

QUOTE (steveno89 @ Mar 28, 2017 -> 12:01 PM) Neither Martes or Tucker is a good enough prospect on their own to headline a Quintana deal Fisher/Reed/Perez/Paulino/Whitley and Cameron are all either one or two tiers below Martes and Tucker as well I would not be motivated to move Quintana to the Astros for less than Martes + Tucker + Reed or Musgrove I think we all agree man.

QUOTE (flavum @ Mar 28, 2017 -> 11:34 AM) A little surprised Luebke didn't make it as a second lefty, but it's a long season. Chances are he'll be one of the 25 pitchers the Sox use this season. Same. He was just a minors deal correct? Wonder if he has an opt out. A little surprised we're only going with 1 lefty.

QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Mar 28, 2017 -> 11:13 AM) Martes/Tucker/Reed/Fisher/Perez is what that dude seems to be proposing and I'd take that in a heartbeat. He says 1 of Martes or Tucker, asumming nothing coming back from Sox besides Q. So Martes or Tucker +3 of Fischer, Perez, Reed, Paulino, Whitley and Cameron.

QUOTE (Sleepy Harold @ Mar 28, 2017 -> 09:58 AM) Dan Hayes @CSNHayes now Bullpen battle down to Michael Ynoa, Anthony Swarzak, Dylan Covey and Zack Burdi. Juan Minaya is still in camp but injured. #WhiteSox Assuming Rodon starts on DL, 3 of the 4 of those have to make the squad no? 1 as the 5th starter, and 2 in the bullpen. So probably Ynoa (for sure), Covey and Swarzak.

QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Mar 28, 2017 -> 09:01 AM) Doubt anyone is following the first page anymore, so I'll post my updated predictions here. Catchers: Narvaez, Soto Infield: Abreu, Saladino, Frazier, Anderson, Sanchez (out of options), Davidson (out of options). Outfield: Cabrera, Liriano, A. Garcia, L. Garcia (also IF), Asche (also time at 1B and possibly 3B if needed). 1. Anderson SS 2. Saladino 2B 3. Abreu 1B 4. Cabrera LF 5. Frazier 3B 6. A. Garcia RF 7. Asche/Davidson DH 8. Narvaez C (Soto against lefties) 9. L. Garcia (May comes up early) Bench: Soto/Narvaez C Sanchez IF Davidson/Asche Liriano OF Starting Rotation: Quintana Shields Holland Gonzalez Covey (he can thank the Rodon injury) Bullpen: MR Luebke MR Ynoa MR Petricka MR Putnam SU Jennings SU Jones CL Robertson They keep all out-options guys in this scenario. Luebke optioned, so he's out. Only going to go with 1 lefty?

QUOTE (Sleepy Harold @ Mar 28, 2017 -> 09:46 AM) Chicago White Sox @whitesox now The #WhiteSox also have reassigned left-handed pitchers Cory Luebke and Matt Purke to minor-league camp. Scott Merkin @scottmerkin now The White Sox have 34 players remaining in Major League camp: 15 pitchers, three catchers, 11 infielders and five outfielders. Luebke a bit of surprise. Going with only 1 lefty?

QUOTE (Sleepy Harold @ Mar 28, 2017 -> 09:34 AM) Joke, believe they're playing along the "conspiracy rebuild" with only trading the pro-LaRoche crowd. Figured.

QUOTE (fathom @ Mar 27, 2017 -> 11:17 PM) Had no idea that Bourjos supported LaRoche Link? Or is this s a joke?

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Mar 27, 2017 -> 12:40 PM) Asche is on a minor league contract, so the Sox have to make room for him on the 40-man. I know Asche has played well, but they can always get him up before the end of April too. If he makes it, it's not that big of a deal either, just that it's easier to control Asche than others who are out of options. Right, but the only one that really makes sense is Liriano. And he's been bad this spring, and Rabbit has said he Sox want to work with him down in AAA.

QUOTE (flavum @ Mar 27, 2017 -> 11:55 AM) Maybe Leury or Sanchez. Or even Davidson. Nothing major. For the sole purpose of having an additional arm in the pen, and not risking losing one of those three off waivers?

QUOTE (flavum @ Mar 27, 2017 -> 11:51 AM) That would seem to be the roster, but I think there's a chance they'll make a minor trade that ends up with 3 on the bench and 8 in the pen. The starters really aren't that stretched out, and let's face it, not that good (besides Q). Going to be a lot of faux pitching injuries this year with the 10-day DL. I think you've mentioned this minor trade a few times that would result in a shorter bench and deeper pen. What are you thinking exactly?

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Mar 27, 2017 -> 11:49 AM) There are going to be a lot of players who come and go this year. I imagine there will be steady shuffling between Charlotte and Chicago (and maybe even Birmingham) as well as waiver additions. The best example I have is Casey Blake in 2003. Dude was a 30 year old AAAA player who got at bats with Cleveland and turned into an average to above average starter for 8 years. Maybe it's a little concerning that a 30 year old finally found his power stroke during the PED era, but it's worthy nonetheless. That's why I don't mind the idea of hanging onto a guy like Bourjos or Asche (though he'll begin the year in the minors). If Bourjos is healthy and still up to par (or close to) defensively, and can hit at all, he's arguably a 2-3 WAR player. Who makes it instead of Asche? Only one I could see is Liriano to not risk losing him on waivers.

Guys, it is really simple. The dudes with options are going to get optioned. The dudes without options are going to make the team. This is a punt year for the Sox and they may as well give Davidson, Leury, Sanchez and Ynoa a shot rather than giving them away. It really comes down to the last man on the squad and whether they go with Asche or Liriano for the last spot. With Tilson starting on the DL, and most likely Rodon as well, here is my guess: 1B: Jose Abreu 2B: Tyler Saladino 3B: Todd Frazier SS: Tim Anderson C: Omar Narvaez CF: Peter Bourjos LF: Melky Cabrera RF: Avisail Garcia DH: Matt Davidson Bench: INF/OF Leury Garcia, INF Yolmer Sanchez, C Geovany Soto, INF/OF Cody Asche SP 1. Jose Quintana 2. James Shields 3. Miguel Gonzalez 4. Derek Holland 5. Dylan Covey Bullpen: RHP David Robertson, RHP Nate Jones, RHP Zach Putnam, RHP Jacob Petricka, RHP Michael Ynoa, LHP Dan Jennings, LHP Corey Luebke Jacob May, Nick Delmonico, Danny Hayes, and Liriano (if he clear waivers) will be the first wave of players to come up when Asche is inevitably DFA'd, 25 man guys hit the DL or are traded. Each of them (sans maybe Liriano) will ML at bats with the Sox this year.

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Mar 24, 2017 -> 12:08 AM) http://www.post-gazette.com/sports/zeise-i...version=pgevoke Pittsburgh writer suggests Quintana for Glasnow, Keller, & Bell. Would you guys take that deal if offered or wait for something better? I'm torn here because it's obviously a ton of talent, but I hate that the one positional prospect we'd be getting is more of a 1B/DH type. I like this deal more than most of the Astros deals thrown around here, but man, WE NEED BATS!

Delmonico is going to get a look this year. But Davidsons is gonna come first!

Good read. Makes me a bit worried that he's not quite mature enough to handle it all, but that comes with the territory. Can't wait watch him everyday.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Mar 23, 2017 -> 12:37 PM) The last time they went total rebuild, it took 3 tanking seasons although they projected 4. They wanted the team to be in place for the new park, but 1990 happened. And they didn't miss on their 1st round picks who were all on the team by August of 1990, and their trades were pretty stellar. They also didn't trade their main chips, Dotson, Bannister, DeLeon until after the 1987 season, when they dumped all 3, and didn't trade Harold for a year and a half after that. They kept Fisk and Ozzie, and Calderon. What happened then has zero bearing on what happens now.

QUOTE (ptatc @ Mar 23, 2017 -> 11:38 AM) I disagree. I think 2019 is the year that could be the first of the competitive years. They should have Giolito, Lopez, Fulmer and Burdi in the minors in 2017. In 2018 they should all be ready to be at the MLB level. By 2019 they should all be ready to contribute a successful season. They will also have Rodon and possibly Q. This will create an outstanding pitching staff at a very cheap level. Moncada will be ready by then. They will then build more offense in FA which are more reasonable contracts than pitching. Will they definitely win in 2019? No, but that will be the first competitive year. This is pretty much how I feel. The Sox are also incredibly due for some good fortune on the offensive side. Maybe Saladino figures it out this year and becomes our 3B for the next 5 years. Maybe a guy like Liriano or May or Engel become MLB regulars. I am more bullish on Collins than SS2K (shocker). I think he is one the best sticks at C in the league by 2019. Hopefully he continues to develop behind the plate. Plus the infusion of talent we get from Q, Jones, Frazier and Robertson, and the periphery guys like Gonzo, Jennings, Melky, Petricka. I expect Hahn to focus on bats moving forward. Where we sit right now, its hard to see how this team can be competitive in 2019, but there is a lot more to be done, and I expect the Sox FO to continue to focus on MLB ready or near MLB ready prospects. Plus, our payroll will be peanuts and we'll be able to play in FA. Again, I see no scenario where the Sox don't try to be competitive in 2019, unless basically everything we acquired this winter flames out.

QUOTE (chitownsportsfan @ Mar 22, 2017 -> 07:10 PM) take 13 pitchers and put Leury as the backup SS. That's a good way to max losses. If Anderson needs a day, Saladino will shift to SS and Sanchez or Leury to 2B.