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QUOTE (IowaSoxFan @ Jul 31, 2016 -> 11:47 AM) Frazier, Sanchez, Torres, Andujar, Severino, and Acevedo, would be ideal to me from the Yankees. Judge holds very little appeal to me. Gross.

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Jul 31, 2016 -> 11:41 AM) Frazier, Torres or Mateo, Sanchez, Judge, Sheffield, plus another projectable arm or two. That's the deal I'm demanding from the Yankees. Would not accept anything less for Sale. I like this w Severino.

QUOTE (BamaDoc @ Jul 31, 2016 -> 11:31 AM) Boston has more star level prospects so Yankees would have to go quantity. Frazier,Torres, Sanchez,Severino couple fliers….Chance Adams, Jordan Montgomery, Dietrich Enns Judge needs to be in any deal w the yanks. Mateo too.

Not super exciting, but Tilson seems interesting. Id probably rather watch him play CF than Shuck. Wonder how long he'll be in AAA.

QUOTE (SouthSideSale @ Jul 31, 2016 -> 10:05 AM) I'm not sure but they're stacked for a Sale trade but it also would force a bidding war between them IMO Judge, Frazier, Severino, Sanchez, Mateo and Bird is a pretty strong package IMO.

QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Jul 31, 2016 -> 08:18 AM) From the Yankees, I think Frazier, Severino, and Bird are must gets in any Chris Sale deal. Judge and Sanchez too. Rake em over the coals.

QUOTE (Jose Paniagua @ Jul 30, 2016 -> 01:29 PM) Ken Rosenthal ‏@Ken_Rosenthal 7s7 seconds ago Sources: #Rangers have talked to #WhiteSox about Quintana as well as Sale. Same story: No traction due to differences in perceived value. Hahn asking for the moon, as he should be. But I'm sure a bunch of you will find a way to fault him anyway.

QUOTE (ChiliIrishHammock24 @ Jul 29, 2016 -> 06:40 PM) I replied to his tweet with an offer of Moncada, Devers, and Kopech for Q. That's a concession IMO.

QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Jul 29, 2016 -> 01:34 PM) Got the Jons mixed up. But, Heyman did say that NYY would decline Giolito for Miller... Seems like a no brainer to me. Why would the yanks reject that!?

QUOTE (OmarComing25 @ Jul 29, 2016 -> 01:23 PM) So Cameron says a Benintendi/Devers/1 lower level guy (or Moncada/Kopech instead for the first two), Urias/Verdugo (or Bellinger instead of Verdugo)/2 lower level guys or Gallo/Brinson/Ortiz/1 lower level guy should be enough for the Sox to want to move Sale. If Sale was traded for any of those packages, would anyone here be happy with those trades? No. Those are the types of trades you can get when Sale has 1.5 years of control, not 3.5 years.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 29, 2016 -> 11:57 AM) If Cashner was worth what he got... He's also a better pitcher than Gonzalez, but paid more, and a FA after this year. But there was more moving parts than just Cashner which makes it a little hard to make that blanket assessment.

QUOTE (Baron @ Jul 29, 2016 -> 11:54 AM) Has to include Mazara. Drop Profar. I'll take Profar as the 3rd or 4th piece. Mazara/Gallo/Brinson/Ortiz/Tate would do it without Profar. Problem remains that it just decimates their lineup.

QUOTE (daggins @ Jul 29, 2016 -> 11:22 AM) It's wrong to think they will be as valuable next July because of three things: 1. They could get hurt (knock on wood, but it happens). 2. The trade market will be richer with expiring contracts, so there will be more supply. 3. They will have less team control left. The time to strike is absolutely now. I understand that the FO is deluded about the chance of competing next year, but that doesn't excuse doing nothing. Winners strike while the iron is hot. No one is going to pay the additional cost associated with the extra year of control right now. You'll get the same for these guys next year as you will right now, because no one is going to pay the exorbitant cost that Hahn is asking for, as he should be. May as well give contention one more shot in 2017 before half our offensive producers leave (and not punt the rest of this season too). Trading for the sake of trading is what gets GMs fired. Plus - if this board was in charge, about 75% of people wanted to trade Q for Puig at this time last year. How would that have worked out? Patience, lads. And the Sox have never said they want to do a full-rebuild. They said there clearly needs to be changes. Those are two different things.

QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Jul 29, 2016 -> 10:27 AM) Honestly if they don't, rebuild and trade everyone. They'll seriously try to tell us they're contending by signing Jason Castro and Carlos Gomez. IMO - that actually makes a ton of sense (I have actually suggested that very thing). Blow it up next July if it doesn't work. Sale and Q will still be worth the same amount then.

QUOTE (IowaSoxFan @ Jul 28, 2016 -> 04:01 PM) I think his take is a lot more realistic than what has been proposed here. You are going to have to get at least one pitcher back in a deal, Rodriguez and Owens are the most likely given their talent level and proximity to the majors. Kopech is a big risk given his meth use and off the field antics. Lol, meth? Dude wasn't using meth in the traditional sense. Realistic to what teams are currently willing to offer? Sure. The Sox are not trading Sale for a package centered around Eduardo friggin' Rodriguez and Henry flippin' Owens. That would be a joke, Hahn should be fired on the spot, and the Sox would literally be f***ed for the next half decade. If you don't get what you want, you don't trade him. Thats likely where we are right now.

QUOTE (Hatchetman @ Jul 28, 2016 -> 03:25 PM) Greenie and I and the other malcontents are not quibbling over Tatis, per se. we are complaining about constantly trading young guys for over-the-hill bums. Which has burned the Sox how many times? Basically never. The only dude who legitimately has been good is Semien, and while Shark was a bum for the Sox, he was hardly over the hill. Generally the Sox have traded away guys that never amounted to much of anything at the big league level.

QUOTE (bmags @ Jul 28, 2016 -> 03:54 PM) I couldn't believe that was the Globe. And Nick Carfardo is actually a respected writer. Smh. How some of these dudes get these jobs is beyond me.

QUOTE (WhiteSoxLifer @ Jul 28, 2016 -> 03:09 PM) https://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/redsox/2...r61K/story.html Eduardo Rodriguez as the centerpeice in a Sale trade??? Lol, good try, Nick.

QUOTE (GreenSox @ Jul 28, 2016 -> 02:47 PM) Anyone who follows the major league organization, not just the major league team, should be aware; perhaps not of Tatis specifically, but of the importance of those A ball players in developing an org. Once again see the Red Sox,Cubs, Dodgers: teams that actually developed great systems. They are still paying $9 million per for a pitcher with bad peripherals. I note with interest that the Jays are only paying $5 million per and Upton was having a good year. Haha....whaaaa?

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 28, 2016 -> 01:48 PM) One of them will be gone when Rodon soon returns. Hopefully Fulmer. The dude obviously isn't ready. Shame on Ranaudo. Dude pitched well.

QUOTE (Lillian @ Jul 28, 2016 -> 01:46 PM) How would Betts rate as a centerfielder, if he were moved there? He's played 160 games there in his career. At worst, average.

QUOTE (Lip Man 1 @ Jul 28, 2016 -> 01:40 PM) Hope Chris can pitch well and get the win. I really would like to see him win 20 this year. A month ago that looked like a given...now? Mark Still a given.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Jul 28, 2016 -> 01:06 PM) I really do not believe that. Yah, me either.

QUOTE (bruni @ Jul 28, 2016 -> 12:21 PM) Yankees take the entire haul received from Cubs for Chapman, add #2 overall catching prospect Gary Sanchez AND Pineda (Coop will fix him!) for Sale. Sox immediately solve long term catching issue with Sanchez and most recent #1 Collins, get stronger up the middle in time with McKinney and Rashard Crawford, acquire stud middle infielder Torres (who I would convert into a 2B) and have both Warren and Pineda to bolster starting pitching staff. As you see above, I told you about the Yankees being in play back on page 30 of this thread... I agree that the package is light, but the WSox have underwhelmed before. I have zero faith in the ability of this front office to pull off a Miller-esque heist a la Atlanta's fleecing of Arizona. I believe unfortunately that despite the posturing, the league knows that they want to move Sale and/or Jerry is sick of the repeated embarrassments and distractions from Sale's behavior. I still think Sale is the guy that gets moved before the deadline on the 1st. We shall see... Pineda is a free agent after 2017 - he would need to be nothing more than a pot sweetener. Severino is the pitcher you want. Aaron Judge would also need to be included in any Sale/Q trade to NYY.

QUOTE (Lip Man 1 @ Jul 28, 2016 -> 11:42 AM) CBS Sportsline has a story this morning that the Yankees have called Hahn multiple times and are pushing to try to get Sale. Mark Torres / Mateo / Judge / Sanchez / Rutherford / Severino / Pineda. Ehhhh. Don't like it.