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Don't look now, "HeGone7".

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Aug 18, 2016 -> 04:39 PM) From the same link The Rangers weren’t able to swing a deal for any of the big-name starters they pursued, but that’s in part due to the asking prices they received. The Rays asked the Rangers for Jurickson Profar and other pieces in exchange for Matt Moore, while "]Rougned Odor’s name was suggested by the Rays in Chris Archer talks and by the White Sox in talks for Chris Sale. Glad to hear RH was insisting on Odor's inclusion in talks with Rangers. Means Gallo, Mazara, Odor was starting point.

QUOTE (shipps @ Aug 18, 2016 -> 04:08 PM) Honestly though, it still doesnt validate how DA lumps a few peoples opinion to cover the span of the entire board population. He does this often. You just did it to but I am not going to make it seem like there are a bunch of posters that do that. I said plenty, which is more than a couple, which is accurate. You just did what you're accusing us of. Ironic.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Aug 18, 2016 -> 03:22 PM) Uh, Shipps? Like clockwork.

QUOTE (shipps @ Aug 18, 2016 -> 02:53 PM) LOL DA you know damn well anybody that would do that just doesnt know baseball. I havent even seen anybody to say that and if you did you cant paint the picture as if there are a group of people that believe that. You are being overly dramatic as usual. Oh, theres been plenty of that suggested around these parts past several weeks.

QUOTE (HeGone7 @ Aug 18, 2016 -> 01:50 PM) I didn't think much else needed to be said. You suggested Carlos Gomez and wished upon a star for Abreu to "bounce back." Wow. Best of Luck. I didn't suggest it as if that is what I would do regarding Gomez. I said that patchwork acquisitions in CF, C and DH - which is basically what the Sox did last offseason - are likely for 2017 when looking at the composition of the roster, in which case Gomez will definitely be a target in CF. That said, I actually don't think Gomez would be all that bad of idea if thats the route they go. Better than spending nearly $100M on a mediocre player in Reddick and moving Eaton back to CF. As for Abreu, he had a horrible April, a bad may, a great June, a bad July, and so far an awesome august. Over the last month his OPS is .855. Since June 1, his OPS is around .800. Definitely not the player he was in 2014, but 2016-version of Abreu is still a well above average bat that remains a great bargain on his contract. I don't think it is completely out of the question to expect him to have a better year next year. But you're right, expecting that is wishing upon a star. GMAFB.

QUOTE (HeGone7 @ Aug 18, 2016 -> 01:03 PM) Wow. Best of luck. ENLIGHTENING POST!!!

QUOTE (Rowand44 @ Aug 18, 2016 -> 12:41 PM) While I definitely appreciate your opinion and the thought you put into this post, I'm just going to go ahead and disagree with all of it. If you think this organization is going to sell off pieces next trade deadline if they're around .500, you're just fooling yourself my friend. Then they're dumber than I think they are. I know most Sox fans just generally think this FO is run by people who have no idea what they're doing, but that's obviously not the case. If the Sox are like 2-3 games under, perhaps. But if they suck balls, they're going to sell off pieces, because otherwise they're getting nothing for all that stuff that leaves via FA for nothing. This season (and 2015 for that matter) are vastly different situations than they'll be in 2017.

QUOTE (Rowand44 @ Aug 17, 2016 -> 05:03 PM) I have no idea how you could possibly come to this conclusion. Pretty simple really. Let's say the Sox do some patchwork acquisitions to fill CF, C and DH this offseason like many suspect....signing Carlos Gomez, Jason Castro, and resigning Morneau, for instance. Then the Sox are under .500 come mid-July 2017...they're going to trade off pieces. Beyond those three that presumably would have been signed to one year deals you have.... Melky, Frazier and Lawrie who are all FAs after next year. Trading those three alone (in addition to the patchworks acquisitions) completely changes the complexion of the roster. Gonzales would be moved with only a few months of control left. Shields if someone would take on what the Sox owe him. Robertson will be moved. You're going to get the same type of package for Sale and/or Q next July as you would have this July, but you actually get 30 more starts out of those guys (why I was never for trading them to begin with). It still may be hard to get max value with pitchers of that skill level with 2.5 and 3.5 years of control still left, though. Guessing they'll still be held onto until winter following 2017. At that point, what is left? No reason to trade Rodon or Anderson. They should keep Eaton around as hes very good and cheap. Maybe Abreu will have a big bounce back year and will be worth a ton again, if not, keep him as he's still a value. Selling next season always made more sense than this season, IMO. With so many contracts coming off the books after 2017, it made sense to give it one shot.

QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Aug 17, 2016 -> 01:31 PM) I shouldn't have said bind. But they operate where they struggle to put a team around him yet have the guy who can bring back close-to-MLB pieces to plug a few spots is what I'm referring to. They don't have anything else to move to bring in talent to help the MLB team. They have a few in the minors, but trading those guys would hurt. There are definitely other pieces that could be moved that would help. But then you hurt the MLB team. I get what you're saying tho. Sox are gonna give it one more go around in 2017 - if it fails, I guarantee you this team is completely ripped down next July.

QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Aug 15, 2016 -> 06:56 PM) Horrible bind to be in considering how they struggle to put a good team around him. Some other nice pieces to have but overall blah. Since when is having one of the best pitchers in the game locked up for 3.25 seasons at about 20% of his annual value a bind?

This is a good move. He needs more time in the minors.

QUOTE (bmags @ Aug 11, 2016 -> 02:40 PM) If these are their only upgrades I don't feel confident. Despite the contract being absurd, if we actually "are in" the Encarnacion sweepstakes I will have a hard time resisting. One of my favorite baseball players in the league. Maybe not, but spending big money on a mediocre player in Reddick or a old dh in Encarnacion doesn't excite me with everything that is coming off the books after 2017.

QUOTE (Charlie Haeger's Knuckles @ Aug 11, 2016 -> 04:53 PM) Let's start a gofundme page! Let's do this! I got 5 on it.

Give me Carlos Gomez, resign Morneau, and trade for Derek Norris. Add a few solid bullpen arms and go to battle. If they suck again next year, blow the whole thing up.

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Aug 11, 2016 -> 11:15 AM) They are definitely looking at this buy low candidate. He was almost a 100 mil player before he tanked this year. If nothing more than a tryout for next year - why the heck not.

I'd take him. Better than JB Shuck, and would add some more fire to this squad.

QUOTE (Hatchetman @ Aug 10, 2016 -> 11:08 AM) I have no idea what the hell they are trying to prove...unless they made him a promise when they signed him. I am guessing this is the case.

I'd be down. Still need a competent CF and C, though.

QUOTE (Lip Man 1 @ Aug 9, 2016 -> 06:10 PM) How has he looked so far in the minor leagues? I thought I saw where at first he was struggling. Mark That is because you only pay attention to negative things.

QUOTE (Deadpool @ Aug 9, 2016 -> 08:06 AM) If I'm Hahn, I put Shields on waivers. And your 2017 rotation would indicate the Sox are going with perennial failure mode. No thanks. I assure you that Shields has been on (or is on) waivers, and has likely cleared. The $ the Pads sent with him wouldn't be netted off his contract if someone claimed him, meaning no one will. However, I don't think Shields is untradable. His last two starts have sucked, but I think the Sox can definitely move him this month or offseason without eating additional cash - don't know that they'll get much.

QUOTE (GreenSox @ Aug 7, 2016 -> 09:36 AM) Carlos Gomez is worse than Shuck. Castro hits like Flowers. The same kind of players we've had here ad nauseum. I guess that's the point...the fix is no fix. Oh the Sox could give up a draft choice for Fowler (we'll show those cubbies!), make a trade for a mediocre starter and catcher. the same kind of moves that look reasonable on paper and make people think that the Sox have a chance. And it will have the same results...significantly hurt the organization, similar to Rick Hahn's moves over the last 2+ years. Carlos Gomez is a year removed from being an elite player. I actually think he'd be a great move on a one year deal with an option.

QUOTE (Hatchetman @ Aug 4, 2016 -> 11:12 AM) So far he seems to hit exactly as one would expect from his minor league #s suggest. Upon casual observation his defense looks good enough to play SS. However, Stony was on B&B the other day and said the Sox should work him in CF as he didn't know if he could play SS. I dunno what Stony is seeing but he knows the game better than I do. His bat doesn't play in CF IMO. Really? I think he has looked pretty good at SS - better than I envisioned for sure.

QUOTE (SouthSideSale @ Aug 4, 2016 -> 10:13 PM) That's Hahn. His acquisitions have all been ass with the exception of Melky and Robertson. Yah that Adam Eaton trade...pure ass.

QUOTE (Jenksy Cat @ Aug 3, 2016 -> 05:37 PM) Is there any sort of return-policy or take-backs on the Duke trade that we can call upon? Probably not, but the Marlins did trade Rea back to the Pads after he got hurt first game w his new club. What a shame.