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I wonder where we get the idea that the owners are still refusing to budge off major issues...

Lets take a trip down memory lane shall we... Quite an odd revealing statement, said unprovoked. Seems pretty anti player to me. Reason why he thinks the players should have caved in mid December. Said in discussion of the players earning more. Quite the contemptuous tone. Seems pretty anti player to me. In discussing why he sides with ownership. A statement not based in fact and debunked by posters later down the page. His own words. Total speculation based on no real info, but with a serious anti-player bend. The union has proposed raising the minimum and it is still a major sticking point for owners. A false statement. The Sox definitely watched those service time days before calling up a few prized prospects. A statement based purely on opinion that has been disproven as the lockout has dragged into almost March. A statement of deflection while refusing to answer an ask for the proof behind his statements. A pattern that continues throughout the thread. My rebuttal, debunking yet another false statement. Just in the first 25 or so pages of this thread. But we have reading comprehension issues.

Right, all of us have reading comprehension issues. All of us reading your very pro owner / anti player posts. Gaslight as you may try, but we've spend all winter arguing this shit and you might not think your statements are pro owner, but they very much are. Beyond mere bias towards either side. But here you are again fighting with multiple people who see your statements for what they are. But again, all of us are wrong. Sure, whatever you say.

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhhahahahahahahah. You're entertaining I'll give you that.

I asked him way back in December why he didn't hold the owners in the same contempt and he basically admitted to being pro-owner. I could dig for receipts if I really cared to argue with him any more, but its futile to expend the energy.

Oh yes, such inspirational life stories of silver spoons and birthrights keep me warm on those cold cold nights.

Ah, the self made man myth making its way into labour talk. Funny how claiming self made status always seems to ignore all of the helping hands said persons received along the way.

I was trying to glean what this meant from tweets late last night and it sounded gimmicky. But what you’ve described is much more intriguing. I do think division winners should be rewarded somehow if the pool expands to 12 or 14.

Only one side has locked out the other, and could resume baseball activities while negotiating in good faith. But here were are on that side’s self imposed deadline day on the precipice of canceling regular season games because one side is still refusing to meet in the middle. Negotiating is a give and take, and the owners haven't exactly given up anything. So I think it’s fair to vilify one side when that side is the reason we don’t have baseball right now.

But deep down he hates the players that play the game he “loves,” so it’s obviously very complicated for him.

Players have shown a willingness to compromise, the owners haven’t. I believe the players would agree to a CBT of 230ish and 12 playoff teams if the owners actually stepped towards the middle with such an offer. But they still refuse to budge. I don’t want the players to compromise any more than they have, but at this point I’m less worried about that than I am the owners not moving an inch and delaying and or cancelling the season in utter recalcitrance. I personally want utter capitulation on the part of ownership and know there will be compromises on the players side I’m won’t be happy about, but that’s inevitable. I don’t disagree with your points about the ills of capitalism outside of baseball but that’s another conversation.