Jose Abreu

QUOTE (Tony @ Oct 9, 2017 -> 12:21 PM) We have the same conversation every offseason Maybe next year, we won't have to!

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Oct 9, 2017 -> 09:23 AM) pitching wins looking at an entire career dont mean all that much. But knowing that Sale hasnt been able to beat the Indians in the regular season(and they roughed him up) is kind of important going into the playoffs But you can know that the Indians roughed him up by looking at other stats too

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Oct 9, 2017 -> 09:39 AM) The pendulum has swung WAY too far here. While it isn't the most important stat, if you are getting a high number of wins it means you are pitching well enough to give your team a chance to win on a regular basis, while you can get some statistical flukes built into that such as the year Nolan Ryan led the league in ERA, but went 8-16, it is usually a pretty good indicator that a pitcher is doing two things. They are not giving up a lot of runs, and they are pitching relatively late into games. Last I checked, those are two pretty good things to get out of your starting pitcher on a regular basis. While that's true, you also can't fault a pitcher for having a bad W/L in comparisons, because the pitcher's defense/run support are so instrumental in securing a W or L.

QUOTE (hi8is @ Oct 5, 2017 -> 10:15 PM) He absolutely lacks the composure of Randy Johnson - imagine if he could develop that poise and maturity... Mercy!! And when Sale's on, he's an even better pitcher than Johnson statistically. With that poise, he'd be another Kershaw

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Oct 5, 2017 -> 07:52 PM) Because Saladino probably has a higher ceiling. Don't overweight a bad year this year. It's not even all about his year (which was worse than just bad, and more like one of the worst statistical seasons an athlete could possibly have). It's also about his back, which will likely prevent him from ever being who he was in 2016.

QUOTE (Quin @ Oct 5, 2017 -> 04:31 PM) And Basabe would have stolen home! And Diaz would notch a 6-out save!

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Oct 5, 2017 -> 02:51 PM) Joel Sherman‏Verified account @Joelsherman1 8m8 minutes ago A #Diamondbacks spokesman tells me that the team has been contacted about the investigation and is cooperating fully Different investigation, this is the Apple Watch one (2.0)

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Oct 5, 2017 -> 12:22 PM) A 25 year old who couldn't even get time with this historically awful White Sox team. Teams are looking for star potential and big tools in the rule 5, not utility players. They can find those all over the place for pretty cheap. He was a 24 year old who didn't get time with us because we had Moncada, Anderson, Sanchez, Davidson, and Saladino in his spots. With Saaldino likely gone, he'll be here next year.

QUOTE (Dam8610 @ Oct 5, 2017 -> 12:06 PM) Why is no one concerned about protecting Jake Peter? He's the type of guy who'd be taken immediately in the Rule 5 draft, and I'd rather see him get ML PAs and figure out what we have in him than see Saladino back out there again next year. I think Peter could be as good or better than Sanchez and offers the same positional versatility. I'd be willing to bet Saladino is cut and Peter is on the MLB roster for us on Opening Day.

QUOTE (ChiSox59 @ Oct 4, 2017 -> 03:28 PM) I still think the trade was a player light. Sale is that good. As do I. There was just no third piece there to get excited about.

QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Oct 3, 2017 -> 07:24 PM) Depends on how you view stats. Given that his OPS is driven a lot from a strong OBP (as well as solid power numbers), you could view it as assuming those same components will carry forward at higher levels or you can take the approach that if he can't hit at the lower levels, you will see even worse hitting at higher levels. Additionally, higher level pitchers are more accurate and given those stats aren't going to be pitching around you, which then bodes the question of how much will you really benefit from that strong plate discipline. I see your point, but I could counter with the Narvaez example someone used earlier. He's nowhere near the power threat Collins can be, yet his elite plate discipline has translated to solid offensive production at the MLB level.

QUOTE (Jenksy Cat @ Oct 3, 2017 -> 06:17 PM) If Stanton was a FA in 2019 with Bryce/Machado class, would you want the Sox to give 10/285m to a 29 year old corner outfielder? I'd rather offer that same deal to a 25 year old Machado He'd likely decline. And there's no way the Sox (or any team acquiring Stanton) would be paying all of that $285m.

QUOTE (oldsox @ Oct 3, 2017 -> 05:53 PM) After reading most of this thread, I was watching PTI and there was a comment by Derek Jeter to the effect that there will be some very unpopular decisions to be made. Nothing specific, however, unless I missed it. Yelich?

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Oct 3, 2017 -> 04:09 PM) I don't think Collins had a bad year by any stretch of the imagination. He's been in the system for one full season, and showed good power and plate discipline. A small tweak here or there and he's a .230 or .250 hitter, and he provides plenty of value to the MLB club as such. Fulmer has been with the Sox for a while now and it seems we know what we have with him, so I understand that. Collins doesn't make any sense. I too don't understand where the "Collins had a bad year" agenda-pushers came from. I'll take an .816 OPS with his defensive improvements any day.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Oct 3, 2017 -> 02:49 PM) All right guys...don't be shy, add a name. Are you willing to give up Robert for him? Rutherford? Someone lower? Gotta elaborate on what you mean by the right price. That's what makes this intriguing to me. Given how expensive the contract is, it's hard to really know what the right price is. The Dunning/Adolfo package I floated in the OP wasn't my own idea, but a duo that was discussed as a potentially reasonable return for him by other baseball fans online. It's difficult to really know what the price tag will be.

QUOTE (Jenksy Cat @ Oct 3, 2017 -> 02:31 PM) If there was no competition then you can't say what is fair or not. We got what was likely the best offer from any team. The combination of contract & performance of Sale was never going to be a 1:1 deal because no team is selling their entire farm system for 1 guy. But including somebody like Chavis as the 3rd piece would not have been that big of a deal to Boston. They would still have Benintendi, Devers, etc.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Oct 3, 2017 -> 02:15 PM) If no one is willing or able to pay it, how can you call it "fair"? Fair in regards to Sale's skill level and, more importantly, contract. Before the Sale deal actually happened, my opinion was a popular one around here. I don't think it's too outrageous to have wanted a better third piece.

I'm not saying that another team could've offered better. I'm saying the 3rd piece from Boston should've been better in order for the trade to be fair value.

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Ryan Bass‏Verified account @Ry_Bass Sounds a lot like Giancarlo Stanton will be traded. I know, I know. His contract sucks, we're rebuilding, blah blah blah... at the same time, I feel like this isn't something that can't be completely ruled out. Given how horrible the contract is, his trade value is much lower. It's too early to start trading prospects for proven talent, but this is the one and only opportunity we're going to have to acquire a power hitter like Stanton. If a trade were centered around Dunning and Adolfo, with the Sox receiving cash, of course, would you support it? This would make the Avi trade a lot easier, and he'd provide great protection for Abreu and Moncada.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Oct 3, 2017 -> 10:52 AM) That's how I felt about it. There is the very real possibility that Moncada alone could replace the WAR we were getting from Sale. Kopech also has that kind of ceiling. That is a huge start to this deal. It's also the end of the deal. Fair value for Sale, IMO, would've been Moncada, Kopech, one of Basabe/Diaz, and one prospect who's better than them but worse than Moncada/Kopech. The 3rd piece was just too light- someone like Travis, Chavis, or Groome would've helped.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Oct 3, 2017 -> 12:05 PM) Same for Cameron Seitzer, who is converting to pitching. That's interesting, but I like it.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Oct 2, 2017 -> 07:37 PM) As a true free agent? If Robert was a $25 million free agent with all of the restrictions, I have to imagine the opening bid will be double that for Maitan, could it go nine figures? I can't see anyone going over $75 mil, personally. Still so many questions attached despite the potential.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Oct 2, 2017 -> 07:13 PM) Oh damn. Watch us snag him

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Oct 2, 2017 -> 09:57 AM) A lot of promise from pitchers not named Rodon The surgery obviously changes things, but Rodon had a stretch where he was a true ace, shutting down 1st place lineups.