Jose Abreu

QUOTE (Dam8610 @ Oct 5, 2017 -> 12:06 PM) Why is no one concerned about protecting Jake Peter? He's the type of guy who'd be taken immediately in the Rule 5 draft, and I'd rather see him get ML PAs and figure out what we have in him than see Saladino back out there again next year. I think Peter could be as good or better than Sanchez and offers the same positional versatility. I'd be willing to bet Saladino is cut and Peter is on the MLB roster for us on Opening Day.

QUOTE (ChiSox59 @ Oct 4, 2017 -> 03:28 PM) I still think the trade was a player light. Sale is that good. As do I. There was just no third piece there to get excited about.

QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Oct 3, 2017 -> 07:24 PM) Depends on how you view stats. Given that his OPS is driven a lot from a strong OBP (as well as solid power numbers), you could view it as assuming those same components will carry forward at higher levels or you can take the approach that if he can't hit at the lower levels, you will see even worse hitting at higher levels. Additionally, higher level pitchers are more accurate and given those stats aren't going to be pitching around you, which then bodes the question of how much will you really benefit from that strong plate discipline. I see your point, but I could counter with the Narvaez example someone used earlier. He's nowhere near the power threat Collins can be, yet his elite plate discipline has translated to solid offensive production at the MLB level.

QUOTE (Jenksy Cat @ Oct 3, 2017 -> 06:17 PM) If Stanton was a FA in 2019 with Bryce/Machado class, would you want the Sox to give 10/285m to a 29 year old corner outfielder? I'd rather offer that same deal to a 25 year old Machado He'd likely decline. And there's no way the Sox (or any team acquiring Stanton) would be paying all of that $285m.

QUOTE (oldsox @ Oct 3, 2017 -> 05:53 PM) After reading most of this thread, I was watching PTI and there was a comment by Derek Jeter to the effect that there will be some very unpopular decisions to be made. Nothing specific, however, unless I missed it. Yelich?

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Oct 3, 2017 -> 04:09 PM) I don't think Collins had a bad year by any stretch of the imagination. He's been in the system for one full season, and showed good power and plate discipline. A small tweak here or there and he's a .230 or .250 hitter, and he provides plenty of value to the MLB club as such. Fulmer has been with the Sox for a while now and it seems we know what we have with him, so I understand that. Collins doesn't make any sense. I too don't understand where the "Collins had a bad year" agenda-pushers came from. I'll take an .816 OPS with his defensive improvements any day.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Oct 3, 2017 -> 02:49 PM) All right guys...don't be shy, add a name. Are you willing to give up Robert for him? Rutherford? Someone lower? Gotta elaborate on what you mean by the right price. That's what makes this intriguing to me. Given how expensive the contract is, it's hard to really know what the right price is. The Dunning/Adolfo package I floated in the OP wasn't my own idea, but a duo that was discussed as a potentially reasonable return for him by other baseball fans online. It's difficult to really know what the price tag will be.

QUOTE (Jenksy Cat @ Oct 3, 2017 -> 02:31 PM) If there was no competition then you can't say what is fair or not. We got what was likely the best offer from any team. The combination of contract & performance of Sale was never going to be a 1:1 deal because no team is selling their entire farm system for 1 guy. But including somebody like Chavis as the 3rd piece would not have been that big of a deal to Boston. They would still have Benintendi, Devers, etc.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Oct 3, 2017 -> 02:15 PM) If no one is willing or able to pay it, how can you call it "fair"? Fair in regards to Sale's skill level and, more importantly, contract. Before the Sale deal actually happened, my opinion was a popular one around here. I don't think it's too outrageous to have wanted a better third piece.

I'm not saying that another team could've offered better. I'm saying the 3rd piece from Boston should've been better in order for the trade to be fair value.

Joe McEwing to be interviewed by Tigers

Ryan Bass‏Verified account @Ry_Bass Sounds a lot like Giancarlo Stanton will be traded. I know, I know. His contract sucks, we're rebuilding, blah blah blah... at the same time, I feel like this isn't something that can't be completely ruled out. Given how horrible the contract is, his trade value is much lower. It's too early to start trading prospects for proven talent, but this is the one and only opportunity we're going to have to acquire a power hitter like Stanton. If a trade were centered around Dunning and Adolfo, with the Sox receiving cash, of course, would you support it? This would make the Avi trade a lot easier, and he'd provide great protection for Abreu and Moncada.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Oct 3, 2017 -> 10:52 AM) That's how I felt about it. There is the very real possibility that Moncada alone could replace the WAR we were getting from Sale. Kopech also has that kind of ceiling. That is a huge start to this deal. It's also the end of the deal. Fair value for Sale, IMO, would've been Moncada, Kopech, one of Basabe/Diaz, and one prospect who's better than them but worse than Moncada/Kopech. The 3rd piece was just too light- someone like Travis, Chavis, or Groome would've helped.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Oct 3, 2017 -> 12:05 PM) Same for Cameron Seitzer, who is converting to pitching. That's interesting, but I like it.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Oct 2, 2017 -> 07:37 PM) As a true free agent? If Robert was a $25 million free agent with all of the restrictions, I have to imagine the opening bid will be double that for Maitan, could it go nine figures? I can't see anyone going over $75 mil, personally. Still so many questions attached despite the potential.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Oct 2, 2017 -> 07:13 PM) Oh damn. Watch us snag him

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Oct 2, 2017 -> 09:57 AM) A lot of promise from pitchers not named Rodon The surgery obviously changes things, but Rodon had a stretch where he was a true ace, shutting down 1st place lineups.

I can also see the Sox potentially shocking us by starting Eloy in AAA/moving him there by the end of April

Barring a pinch hit appearance, Garcia's final numbers are: 136 games, 561 PAs, 518 ABs, 75 R, 171 H, 27 2B, 5 3B, 18 HR, 80 RBI, 5 SB, 33 BB, 111 SO, .330/.380/.506/.886, 137 OPS+, 9 HBP, 1 ASG, and the potential of a silver slugger award (Trout/Judge are very likely, and the other is probably between Avi/Springer/Davis).

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A. Garcia

QUOTE (Quin @ Sep 29, 2017 -> 07:49 PM) Otani isn't coming to the Sox. ^

Agreed on Robert. Moncada (who I know has a kid... is he married? Is he still with the mother?) is also very, very into girls on there lol

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Sep 29, 2017 -> 05:30 PM) I feel like some are missing that 2017 happened. I don't understand what you're referencing. Is it the offensive uptick from this season? Because, if so, that's not exactly coming from the catcher position. Of catchers with 110 or more games, only Sanchez, Contreras, Posey, Avila (barely qualifies in terms of games played) and Zunino have an OPS of .800 or better. If Collins is the OBP/SLG guy we think he can be, I'll take it.