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QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Dec 16, 2013 -> 04:44 PM) ADA would be a guy that it would make a lot of sense for the Sox to grab someone talented and in A-ball. Yeah definitely. A raw, yet toolsy, under 21 year old you hope puts it together in the next 3 years. A Trayce Thompson type prospect for example would make a lot of sense

QUOTE (Jake @ Dec 16, 2013 -> 04:32 PM) Interesting. I'm glad they're looking at it that way. We should be able to get something nice and shiny for ADA anyway. B level prospect not very close to the majors shiny enough for you? I'm not trying to completely crap on De Aza, but he's pretty darn mediocre once you figure out that he can't be an everyday CF. You're left with a LF who's most likely going to hit somewhere between his '12 and '13 #'s which amounts to somewhere around .275/.335/.405 with 12 HR's and 20 steals. Not a bad player by any means. but I can't see the market for his services being very hot

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Dec 16, 2013 -> 02:21 PM) Just looking at his numbers I'm immediately worried about the strikeouts. The White Sox simply don't have a good history of turning guys with 100+ strikeouts in minor league seasons into quality big leaguers. If his strikeouts go up a little as a big leaguer we'd be talking about a guy K-ing 175 times and so far he doesn't have the HR numbers to be productive doing that. That could change of course, but we will see. That's why I'm not 100% fawning right now, there's a real risk in his numbers that you can't overlook. Anyone know anything about his defense? Hate to use a total cliche but strikeouts are just another out. K's become a problem when you aren't getting on base and you are k'ing often with runners in scoring position. I can't find his minor league #'s with RISP at the moment but his obp is just fine. Adam Dunn managed to be a darn good player for quite a few years despite K'ing a ton, and I could list a whole bunch more too. If he can stick at 3rd with at least average D and hit .265/.330/.500 with 30 hr's on a yearly basis he will be just fine. Great move by Rick.

QUOTE (Jake @ Dec 13, 2013 -> 08:21 PM) He's not young, but I'd be happy to flip him for Brandon Phillips Joke right?

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Dec 13, 2013 -> 05:44 PM) Because he believes he will hit .300 and get on base at a .400 clip and he will go get any ball hit out to CF Sounds like his job description to me....

The Gordon Beckham apologists are funny. Ok he was hurt last year...but how a about the other 2,000 plate appearances he has generally sucked in? Trust me, a little piece of me dies every time I open my closet and see my #15 Gordon Beckham white sox jersey that I paid good money for just hanging there. But its over, you gotta give it up at some point. Move on and see if Semien can translate his minor league play to a respectable OBP and good defense.

Anybody else hear Rosenthal on the MLB network? Said he has a mole within the White Sox that will "hopefully produce." This came after KW challenged Rosenthal that he couldn't break a story on the White Sox. Guess we'll see if Rosenthal is just BS'ing the next time we make a move. Watch for Rosenthal on twitter....

I don't like this. Seemed like they tried to fill a need rather than taking the most talented player. I would rather seen a pitcher that could actually be stashed while Cooper works with him. This catcher has like a 5% chance of making the roster.

Anybody have interest in Matt Lollis? Giant righty (6'9 250) who sits around 96-97 as a starter with a slider that can be very good but its inconsistent. I'm thinking he could be a force if asked to just reach back and throw 99-100 for 1 inning. I'm thinking Bobby Jenks

QUOTE (striker @ Dec 12, 2013 -> 08:40 AM) 1. I like Daniel Murphy but 2B is probably our deepest position from an organizational depth perspective: Beckham, Semein, Garcia, Sanchez can all play that position. 2. I don't know why everyone wants to trade De Aza. I think putting him in LF would improve our defense, putting him in the two whole would improve the top of our lineup. Plus he can drive in runs. Unless it's a no brainer trade, I'm keeping De Aza and Viciedo. Where does Viciedo play if you're starting De Aza in LF? I'm not a big Dayan fan, but he has the potential to be a part of the future of this franchise. De Aza on the other hand isn't a part of the future because of his age and contract. Can't take away AB's from Viciedo at this point. Especially since this could/should be his make or break year with the tam.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Dec 11, 2013 -> 09:17 AM) If you really think Jake Elmore is better than Gordon Beckham all I can say is.........WOW. I know right, at best Elmore's minor league stats would translate to .260/.330/.380.....Oh wait, that actually IS better than Gordon Beckham. Let it go man, he's done. With that said, I'm pretty sure that Jake Elmore is the answer to about 0 of our problems.

QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Dec 10, 2013 -> 10:06 PM) I can see a trade in which we receive Lawrie and give up De Aza plus more (those as centerpieces) Please pass whatever you are smoking this way if it makes you see De Aza being a centerpiece of a trade that gets us Brett Lawrie. Must be really strong stuff.

QUOTE (TaylorStSox @ Dec 11, 2013 -> 03:26 PM) I think the best thing to do with Dunn is to hang on to him, pray he has a great first half, and flip him for a real prospect. I think it's worth risk. Agreed. Wait for an injury or just a desperate AL team. Dun could look really enticing to a team at the deadline if he has 15 HR's and they are only on the hook for around $8M.

I think the real question is how many playoff caliber teams currently have a closer worse than Reed(not that I think Reed is bad)? And what is the price of acquiring Reed vs simply singing Balfour or Benoit to a short term contract? What about packaging Reed and De Aza to the Yankees? That could easily net us Sanchez + a couple of other prospects.

QUOTE (DukeNukeEm @ Dec 10, 2013 -> 09:43 PM) We have a glut of LHP, this made sense even if I was a real fan of Hector's. The problem is we got crap in return. Adam Eaton cant hit. I dont get it, and now were going to deal DeAza for a lottery ticket prospect. What does this net us other than a new face? I mean, unless Hahn does something super fancy (or teams somehow arent aware of ADAs sucktitude) this boils down to: Solid lefty with good potential Low caliber starting CF for Low-middle caliber starting CF Mediocre prospect Team didnt get better unless they see something in Eaton that indicate he will get good. I'd love to know how you came to the brilliant conclusion that Adam Eaton can't hit. Must have been all of the extensive scouting you did on him right?

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Dec 10, 2013 -> 04:13 PM) Erik Johnson sure can. For all the overrating and overhyping of Sox players that occurs here, Erik Johnson is criminally underrated. Erik Johnson >> Hector Santiago.

140 innings with a 1.4 WHIP and a 43% flyball rate from a 26 year old.....and he's a #2 starter in the making? Hector will have a nice career as a big leaguer, but anyone who isn't wearing white sox colored glasses should see that isn't a front line starter just with a simple eye test. Eaton for Santiago was a fair deal and made a ton of sense for our organization. Eaton may or may not work out, but he's sure worth a shot and Hector Santiago isn't the type of guy that will keep you up at night because you traded him.

Good deal for us. I like Santiago, but I wouldn't shock me if he's strictly a bullpen arm 3 years from now. Not saying he doesn't have a good chance of sticking as a solid 3/4 starter, but I think it was a smart move to trade him now while his name is hot.

I could see someone like Cole Calhoun or Luis Jimenez coming from LA. They are both decent players who can play on the majors now but have no immediate future with them. Just a shot in the dark....hard to see much else coming from the Angles because their system is pretty awful

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Dec 10, 2013 -> 10:03 AM) Considering De Aza was a more valuable player than Dominic Brown last year, yes, I would balk at it because of De Aza. I'd also balk because of Jones and because of Santiago plus all those guys. Like I said, I have no problem with Santiago for Brown, straight up. That's about perfect value. This is why I hate that WAR has become mainstream. Brown was better in every way offensively last year, but because De Aza was below average in CF he's the more "valuable" player. Makes a ton of sense.

QUOTE (wardo @ Dec 10, 2013 -> 08:31 AM) Not at all. And i'm just using the Cubs as an example. I think that is a realistic return because although he has been an ace and is very controllable, there are a lot of question marks with him. His mechanics are unorthodox, and he's still young. You don't know in a few years if his arm will give out and he will continue to have his current success. Plus a team is not going to give every one of their major-league ready prospects for one guy. Honestly if i was Hahn i'd look to move him right now, when the demand for him is probably higher than it ever will be. I just don't think the return is going to be as much as expected, and fans will be upset. The Rays got the #1 hitting prospect and a top 20 or so pitching prospect in return for shields just last year. Sale has WAY more value that shields. If you're using the Cubs as an example the trade starts with Soler and 1 of Almora/Bryant. Starts there....I'm not very familiar with the Cubs pitching prospects but at least 1 of their top 3 would also be in that deal.

They just had Towers on MLB Tonight live....basically said they are indeed trying to be very active. They are looking for both a power bat, but SP is #1 priority if he can get only 1.

QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Dec 9, 2013 -> 05:59 PM) No because of Santiago and Jones So I suppose young hitters are just going to fall into our laps? Gotta give up something to get something. Jones is replaceable anyway, you're really worried about him? Webb and Petricka could easily replace him next year.

QUOTE (CaliSoxFanViaSWside @ Dec 9, 2013 -> 06:00 PM) Why do you keep ignoring the other pieces I included ? Why didn't you answer when your timetable is for when we can win the division ? Pitching and D wins a lot of games if Abreu and Avi Garcia hit. You have to get better at many position. I just got us better at 3 positions , younger , more LH better D and with a cheaper payroll without rolling the dice on too many prospects . Aren't those all thinsg we want ? You're not all of a sudden go from 65 wins to 100.If the Sox are lucky it'll be a steady climb for the next 2 years and then compete in 2016 . Anything before that and you're really kidding yourself and with a bunch of prospects instead of MLers you're looking at even longer when including A ballers and rookie league players. Got to get to 80 wins before we get to 90. Because the other pieces I agree on....except Gregorious. Not because I don't like him, but because I doubt the Dbacks trade their starting SS. And you edited in the timetable part after I already replied....All depends on whether we trade Sale on that. If Sale is traded it pushes that date back another year. But 2016 to be serious contenders doesn't sound bad. I don't think 2015 is out of the realm of possibility if Sale is kept and a couple of the right moves are made. My stance is that Pollack and Parra aren't good enough to make us win now and they aren't even close to the type of guys who you can build around. If you disagree that's cool, but personally I'm taking prospects over those 2 any day of the week.

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Dec 9, 2013 -> 05:47 PM) I think Brown's incredibly overrated. He's good against righties, but much of that power came from one hot stretch. Outside of May, he hit 15 homers. That's also a very talented #3 starter with a lot of service time remaining, a good bullpen arm with a lot of service time remaining, and a CF who can, in fact, play CF but not particularly well for a left handed bat who can't play in the field and can't hit lefties. I can spin too. I'd start out by offering merely Santiago for Brown, straight up. I'd have a bit of wiggle room, but I would not give up 3 players for him. I gave up 3 because I didn't care about the 2 of them and they kinda make sense for the Phillies. You'd seriously balk at a Brown trade because of De Aza?