TheFutureIsNear

QUOTE (southside hitman @ Dec 9, 2013 -> 03:10 PM) It's quality, not quantity. Bradley has the potential to be as good as Sale with more years of control. Bradley could potential replace Sale as frontline SP in two years, then you build off of him as insurance for the possibility that won't happen. The way the Sox "win" a trade would be Bradley becoming an ace, Davidson and Owings/Gregorius manning 3B and SS, respectively, and Skaggs or any other pitchers become steady rotation guys. If you can fill 3-4 spots with positive value guys to overtake the value of one player, you can comfortable trade Sale. See my post above. Who knows, maybe I'm underestimating him, but I can't see Towers entertaining that kind of offer. I hope you're right, but I have a feeling that we are keeping Sale if that's the type of package Hahn is holding out for. Not necessarily a bad thing of course....

Have you guys seen Bradley pitch? There is legitimate reason to believe he could be at least comparable to Sale as soon as next year. The kid is a stud. If we get him in a package the rest of the pieces are going to significantly diminish from what it would be if he wasn't involved. If you're trading Sale you are officially in full blown rebuild mode. So why lessen the amount and quality of prospects for 1 SP? Might as well just keep Sale and keep trying to build around him if you're going to do that. Not to mention that Skaggs is no joke and not such a bad "fall back" plan. Obviously I have no idea what the talks are like (if there even are any), but I'd have to imagine Towers is going to be seriously stubborn about trading Bradley + a significant package for Sale.

Personally if I'm Hahn I'm telling Towers he can keep Bradley and that I want as many pieces as possible. I feel like the package diminishes a good deal if Bradley is involved. Skaggs Chafin Owings Davidson Trahan Eaton Spruill Lamb Drury Pick your favorite 6 and tell them that's the package for Sale.

QUOTE (Jake @ Dec 9, 2013 -> 02:16 PM) Keep in mind with Dom Brown: this dude is literally a worse defensive LF than Dayan Viciedo. Just think about that. I'm not saying you definitely don't get him, but you're looking at a team with a bunch of corner OF. His inability to hit lefties and take a walk concerns me as well. What his ceiling actually is needs to be discussed before trading a guy like Q for him. I would do my best to see if Amaro is dumb enough to trade Brown for something like Santiago, Jones, and De Aza. Unlikely, but that would be best case scenario for us.

QUOTE (Buehrle>Wood @ Dec 9, 2013 -> 01:53 PM) I don't trade a starter. Our pitching depth is grossly overrated. How? Q, Santiago, Danks, Johnson, Renzio, Beck isn't enough to fill out a well above average 2-5? Trading Sale would also most likely result in acquiring at least 1 more good SP prospect. And then there is the 3rd pick.... Like I said, I'd personally rather trade Q, but offers have to be at least listened to on Sale. There isn't enough talent on this team to turn down 3 or 4 really good prospects.

Danks just doesn't seem likely. Even if someone would trade for him we would be selling at his lowest value. Hold onto him and hope he pitches well the 1st 1/2 of the season. Even if he can keep his ERA around 3.7-3.9 he will still seem like value and shouldn't be a problem to trade. If I'm Hahn I'm asking for a king's ransom for Q and hoping someone delivers. I like Q, but I do think he's replaceable and he is our best shot at getting 2 good, young position players that can help in the near future.

QUOTE (scs787 @ Dec 9, 2013 -> 01:27 PM) The Bravess eh?? Not sure how they make sense since their minor league isn't that great Gotta be talking Justin Upton or Heyward, one of their current starting pitchers, Avilon or Venters, Bethancourt, and Lucas.....or make it some crazy 3 team deal. Simmons, Tommy La Stella and Teheran is a pretty good start but I would definitely need another potential power bat in the OF or 3B back as well. They do have plenty of arms so a 3 team deal does make sense where they send someone like Sims or Graham to a 3rd team and we get a top level hitting prospect back.

QUOTE (StRoostifer @ Dec 9, 2013 -> 01:05 PM) Right and AZ needs to understand that Bradley is in the trade trade talks or it " happy holidays", click. Skaggs, Chafin, Davidson, Owings, and Trahan would make me think long and hard.... I've softened my stance on trading Sale a little bit. Its still going to take a ton, but it almost has to be considered. Its a chance to change the entire landscape of the franchise in a positive way. I love Sale as much as the next guy, but this franchise has a serious void of talent and he represents a way to change that. I will be honest that its hard to find organizations that fit the bill as far as trade partners for Sale go. Arizona, Yankees, Seattle, and ????

QUOTE (GreatScott82 @ Dec 8, 2013 -> 10:48 PM) I wonder if the Yankees would be interested in John Danks? We can drop our highest paid pitcher, get an every day CF for at least one season, with a hope he would sign an extension, if not the team can flip him mid season OR claim a supplemental draft pick next year. I agree that Danks could be a potential fit for the Yankees, but forget the 30 year old soon to be free agent. Mason Williams and Garry Sanchez are the names Hahn should be looking at. Both could be in the majors next year (2015) and are potential impact bats. I doubt either are in the Yankees plans for the next 2 or 3 years so they could be viewed as expendable. I could also see them liking Kepp. Plays both 2B and 3B and has a better track record than the likes of Brendan Ryan and Kelly Johnson. Danks + Kepp + Jones would be a nice package to offer the Yankees, although I'm not sure it would get us both Sanchez and Williams.

QUOTE (raBBit @ Dec 8, 2013 -> 02:58 PM) http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2013/12/yank...iro-suzuki.html "Open to trading" and in trade talks are 2 different things. He has no power and can't even get on base at this point. He's a $6 million dollar defensive replacement and pinch runner at this point in his career. Unless the Yankees pretty much for him to go who would want him?

QUOTE (raBBit @ Dec 8, 2013 -> 02:36 PM) The best move for the Yankees is to move Ichiro. Their best starting option is Gardner-Ellsbury-Beltran. Lefty, lefty, switch. I was reading Philadelphia, if memory serves, was interested in bring him in. That way they can rotate DH and spelling outfielders between Wells and Soriano. No one wants Ichiro at this point. Philly already signed Byrd anyway, they have no interest in Ichiro. I can easily see them keeping Gardner and patch working a rotation with 1 year deals. Bedard, Colon, Oswalt, Halladay, ect....

I'm just scared of the contract he'd demand if we actually did try to resign him. 4 years/$52M? I would say he'd be looking for a Victorino like contract except with another year. Not sure that sounds all that appealing to be honest.

QUOTE (Jake @ Dec 8, 2013 -> 12:42 PM) If you add Headley, this team starts looking viable for next season. By no means a favorite to be a winner, but reduces the amount of good luck it takes to win Yeah probably puts us in that dreaded 80-85 win range with an impending free agent. I don't see how it makes any sense unless we work out an extension with the trade. And there would have to be at least 2 other moves behind it at C and CF with upgrades offensively and defensively.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Dec 7, 2013 -> 02:36 PM) I didn't check that, you're right it'd make zero sense to give up Reed or Santiago for him. Yeah I had no idea he was a free agent either. For some reason I thought he still had at least 3 years of arbitration left. Don't recall hearing much about Gardner until around 2010

Didn't the Castro rumors get shot down already? Why would the Astros trade him?

Hmm wonder if Santiago, De Aza, Reed would get us Sanchez and Gardner? With McCann locked in at C for I'm guessing at least 3 years (could go to Dh after that) Sanchez is kinda blocked so they could be more willing to give him up than before. Plus they have a few other young catchers in their system as well Young controllable arms are exactly what the Yankees need. And throwing a cheap 4th OF as an insurance option to Ichiro wouldn't hurt either.

QUOTE (elwood5892 @ Dec 6, 2013 -> 09:56 PM) Beltran to the Yankees for 3 years/ 45 million. Yikes. He's going to be 37 in April. Guaranteeing him 3 years is crazy

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Dec 6, 2013 -> 06:36 PM) I don't think it makes sense for the Sox to take any righty with their bullpen as it is. Reed, Jones, Lindstrom, and Belisario give 4 of those already. It'd be nice to have at least 1 slot for Petricka or Webb, whoever earns it, and there's a solid chance one of those guys will rapidly out-pitch any Rule 5 pick you slot in there in the spring and the pick would have been a waste. A lefty? Bring it on. I'm just all about adding as much young talent as possible. I'd like to see Webb and Petricka as well, but if they have to pitch 1/2 a season in AAA while Hahn tries to deal 1 of the vet RP's its not the end of the world. Or we could just carry 1 lefty even though that's a little unconventional

Is Perez really better off against major league pitching than Phegley? I 2nd taking a pitcher and sticking them in the bullpen. Brody Colvin was a stud who has ran into a ton of mechanical problems and lost any progress to his career. Could be a classic Coop can fix 'em case. Burawa, Nelo, and Nesbitt all have power arms that could make sense in the bullpen.

I live in NJ about 30 mins away from the Phillies stadium so I see a lot of Brown and I'm not crazy about him. We could definitely use him, don't get me wrong, but it would cost more to get him than DeAza and Santiago and I'm not sure I'd be willing to do that. He's going to hit a bunch of homeruns but unless he learns to hit lefties a little better and learns to walk more he's going to struggle to hit much above .270/.330. He's also pretty horrific in the field. So if the Phillies were somehow dumb enough to do a trade with Santiago as the best piece then yeah I'd be all over it, but that's not going to happen.

The Marinres OF/DH spot is a mess, especially after Morales rejected their qualifying offer. Viciedo/De Aza could be of interest to them, maybe even both. They have Saunders/Ackley/Almonte/Montero to fill 4 spots. I'd do Franklin for Viciedo straight up.

Gordon Beckham is 27 with 2,000+ AB's in the MLB and owns a .249/.314/.380 slash. He has 0 trade value. Only scenario I could see Beckham being traded is if its a swap of another teams failed prospect

I've been a huge proponent of rebuilding and I think its a bad idea to trade Sale. Not yet at least. There's no reason this franchise can't be a serious contender in 2015 if the right moves are made. If for whatever reason we aren't legit contenders by 2015, then yes, you have to start to explore a trade. Really don't even want to think about that though.

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Dec 5, 2013 -> 09:37 AM) First, if you believe he can be an above average 2B, then you are just as high on him as most. Secondly, the nature of the beast suggests that if you believe he can be an above average 2B, then he can stick at 3B too (not that you'd necessarily want to) MLB splits last year: 2B: .263/.323/.387/.710 3B: .260/.324/.412/.735 If he is even a .260/.330/.400 guy, his bat can play at 3B. The point I was more trying to make is that in an ideal world and on a good team you'd like a little more production out of 3B than what Semien is likely to bring. Of course there are always exceptions and I'm not saying he can't be serviceable at 3B. He just seems like a more prototypical 2B and he shouldn't be stuck at 3B just because he's the best option we currently have there. I'm looking past next year when I say I believe he should be a 2B.

QUOTE (Chilihead90 @ Dec 4, 2013 -> 10:11 PM) You think Reed is worth Chafin and Trahan? I don't. And I doubt Arizona would. Ehh maybe, maybe not but its debatable. Wouldn't be the 1st time a team traded too many prospects. At worst Reed is a 24 year old very effective set up man who makes