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QUOTE (bjmarte @ Mar 19, 2016 -> 10:25 AM) Exactly. Most people on this thread seem to want to pick a side and make an argument out of it. That seems a little like picking your favorite turd and trying to sell its benefits. Ha ha, well said. No matter what, you can't polish a turd. This whole situation is just one steaming pile of s***.

QUOTE (LDF @ Mar 19, 2016 -> 10:14 AM) esp when there are running around naked and taking showers. Exactly. I'm sure Willie would have been fine with bringing his daughter to the clubhouse during her teenage years.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Mar 19, 2016 -> 09:58 AM) Willie Robertson ‏@williebosshog Mar 17 Been bringing my kid to work since she was 14. Worked out well. #FamilyFirst @e3laroche Sure thing Willie. After all, bringing your daughter to work at a family run business is the same as bringing your daughter to work where theres a clubhouse full of men. Yeah, uh huh. What an idiot.

I'm not a big fan of KW but it does appear as though he took one for the team here. The complaining players and coaches would probably feel like assholes if they approached a father to complain about the father's son, I would too. Also, it seems like the complainers didn't want to cause an uproar in the clubhouse and upset the chemistry between the players so they anonymously went to KW about Drake. At this point, what is KW supposed to do? Take the side of one player and his son or take the side of multiple players/coaches? Tough spot for KW and I wouldn't want to have to make that decision. One sticking point for me is the percieved "lying" KW did to the players. According to LaRoche's own words, he would handle the situation if any players, coaches or managers had a problem with all the time Drake spent with the team. Well, last I knew, KW is a manager. He approached LaRoche about the subject to which LaRoche ignored it for an additional 3-4 days. LaRoche doesn't sound as though he tried to help the situation one bit when he ignored the request of the manager. Apparently it was LaRoche's way or the highway, he chose the highway. In the end I feel everyone involved could have handled this better. 1) KW should have kept his cool the second time he went to LaRoche 2) LaRoche should have at least tried to scale things back after the first talk with KW. He should have adhered to his end of the agreement ( according to his own statement) instead of the my way or the highway nonsense. Typical fight or flight response, bye bye birdy. Go ahead and and go home, Eric Cartman. 3) Sale should have kept his big mouth shut about a clubhouse issue instead of whining to the media in an effort to pled someone's case for them. 4) Eaton, same as Sale. Eaton should reconsider the amount of time he spends on Twitter. Interesting how all of his tweets from Thursday were deleted. 5) Maybe the complaining players/coaches should have tried talking to LaRoche first, although I can see how that would be difficult to do. Tough spot but if the kid being around that often bothers them that much then maybe, in hindsight, it would have been the best first step instead of going to KW.

Was just watching highlights of Danks today. Is it me or is his arm slot higher now? Anyway. Looked like he had a pretty good CU and I'm pretty sure I noticed a CB or two in the highlights. A surprisingly nice outing.

For me it's too early to place odds. If enough players make a big enough stink to oust KW then Sale isn't going anywhere. If KW sticks around and the issue between him and Sale continues, the odds of Sale getting traded at some point do go up. How much, I'm sure I have no idea.

QUOTE (Black_Jack29 @ Mar 18, 2016 -> 03:32 PM) I don't see how the kid is deserving of any blame. Agreed. Shouldn't even be an option. Edit: I have no problems with parents that home school their children as long as the children are on par with public school children their age. I think the Drake and home schooling gets a pass on this. Otherwise, I think this was handled about as bad as it could be by all parties with a possible exception to Hahn. Can't help but feel bad for Hahn because I get the feeling he's like a monkey in the middle between his boss KW and the players/coaches. Wouldn't want to be in Hahn's shoes right now.

QUOTE (heirdog @ Mar 18, 2016 -> 05:53 PM) Drake LaRoche will have the last laugh when Kenny Williams Jr., assistant scout to the President of Operations, tries to draft and sign him in the first round of the 2023 amateur player draft...either that or he'll be putting his Sylvan diploma to use as CEO of Roachy Meats I would laugh hysterically if that's how things turned out. Heck, it could happen in 2020 after Drake finishes what would be the Sylvan equivalent of his senior year in HS.

QUOTE (flavum @ Mar 18, 2016 -> 05:45 PM) Haven't listened yet, but oh boy... http://www.mighty1090.com/episode/ken-hawk...kenny-williams/ edit: I thought this would be more negative toward KW, but it's just more typical Hawk stuff. Yep. Can't say I buy the bit about KW doing this to "galvanize " the team. According to all the reports prior to this mess, the team was galvanizing already. If this was indeed done by design, it was done to save the 13M and nothing more. The fact that the Sox were shopping LaRoche over the winter could support that conspiracy theory. Not saying I buy into that theory and to be honest I really don't know what to believe right now but this was not done to galvanize the team.

QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Mar 18, 2016 -> 04:33 PM) Well, that and because he never once mentioned his son battling an illness during his first year with the Sox and that would have been an understandable excuse in my book. He went out, tried to do his job while getting left out to dry by Ozzie, got booed and came back the next year with an All-Star season. I'm glad you mentioned Dunn. People can say what they like about Dunn but he handled adversity very well. No complaints or excuses, just continued to give his best effort. Regardless of the outcome, he was very professional in the way he carried himself. As for LaRoche. Not sure what to think right now but it's sad that things ended the way they did regardless of who(m) is to blame. It's a shame that an innocent 14 year old boy had to go through this debacle. Hopefully everyone eventually learns something from this mess and becomes better for it.

QUOTE (Condor13 @ Mar 18, 2016 -> 01:25 PM) For those saying sale and Eaton should shut up and deal with this internally how the hell will that work. They can't go to Ventura bc KW went over his head with all of this, same as RH. The only option they have is to go to JR, but KW head is so far up JR *** that it won't help. So they take the only avenue available to them. " No comment " is usually a good answer to a clubhouse issue.

QUOTE (DrunkBomber @ Mar 18, 2016 -> 01:05 PM) Sounds like Sale thinks we need to go after Danks next.

QUOTE (flavum @ Mar 18, 2016 -> 10:49 AM) Jackson, Rollins, Abreu, Frazier, Cabrera, Garcia, Lawrie, Ishikawa, Avila Danks throwing baseballs. https://twitter.com/CST_soxvan/status/710853199532437504 Don't you mean, Danks throwing meatballs for cubs batting practice?

QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Mar 18, 2016 -> 12:48 PM) Their is a time and a place and a way to handle things. What happens within a clubhouse is supposed to stay within a clubhouse. Instead, everything is being dealt with via the press. It is pathetic and embarrassing. It isn't often that I give Kenny credit for how he handles something with the media, but his approach and tact was solid. How he handled it with the players, who knows, known if us were there and none of us know all the circumstances. But Eaton and Sale should be dealing with this internally, not externally. Exactly. Sale and Eaton are parading through the media like politicians trying to sway public opinion their way. A true leader keeps their mouth shut and handles the business internally. Imo, a good example of this is the silence of Rick Hahn. Rick is smart by not publically fanning the flames and I'd guess is doing his best behind the scenes to help resolve the situation. Same for any players and coaches that have stayed quiet and tried to keep the dispute within the locker room.

QUOTE (fathom @ Mar 18, 2016 -> 12:32 PM) oh wow Julie DiCaroVerified account ‏@JulieDiCaro @MJ_Baumann There are people in media who believe the guys complaining the loudest may have been the ones who complained. I don't know man. Considering Sale and Eaton have been the most vocal and Sale has an autographed Jersey from Drake, I'd say DiCaro is full of s***. She should really stick to reporting for the other Chicago team.

QUOTE (Black_Jack29 @ Mar 18, 2016 -> 11:44 AM) Yep Unless the Sox are rebuilding, that's not going to happen. Sale and Eaton both know it, which is why they feel free to say whatever the hell they want. I seriously hope that somebody like Abreu steps up and confronts them. It doesn't have to be rebuilding if the return is right. It is possible for the Sox to contend without Sale and especially Eaton.

QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Mar 18, 2016 -> 11:16 AM) And why would Kenny flat out lie (per the Sun-Times link)? And honestly, with Sale, get Friedman on the phone if he keeps this up. Put Eaton on the market as well. Edit: I'm not saying at this exact moment, but if they keep going. Again, I must agree. Sale rubbed me wrong with binocular-gate and now this BS just adds to it. Eaton rubbed me wrong last year when he had a hissy over sitting out for a game. Sale and Eaton are acting like toddlers that need to be put over the knee for a good old fashioned spanking. I'm not overly emotional on this but if they both keep this crap up, trade them when the opportunity comes along. They are both too stupid to realise they are a clubhouse distraction with their nonsense.

QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Mar 18, 2016 -> 11:08 AM) I was hoping someone would toss this in here. My dad and I talked about how if a player like Pedro Cerrano existed and lived in the clubhouse, would LaRoche be tolerant of his having an altar in his locker? Let's remember the Sox were pretty accommodating of LaRoche when they gave him a faith day that allowed him to bring in a homophobic hate-monger that he pals around with. Or how they gave his kid a locker. To act like the Sox were hating on LaRoche's values is hysterical. Just trying to keep it lite around here. I agree 100%. The Sox have been more than accommodating to LaRoche and his son but he needs to realise there are 24 other players in the locker room with him. I cannot imagine how difficult it is for management and coaches to try and get all 25 guys to gel together as well as be accepting of one another's opinions and beliefs. Just speculation on my part but I think it's possible that LaRoche's beliefs could have rubbed some folks the wrong way if he came across anything like Eddie Harris. His strong beliefs in his religion is one of the factors that could have been mentioned along with his son being around all the time when some players went to KW. This is just my own speculation with absolutely nothing to back it up though. There's much more to this story than what's been leaked so far and I think it's important for all of us fans to keep that in mind as we discuss the issue. Personal side note: Chris Sale, STFU and pitch, not b****!

Just took a glance at Eaton's Twitter and it seems all his tests from yesterday are gone.

QUOTE (fathom @ Mar 18, 2016 -> 10:55 AM) oh good lord....definitely getting worse Bob Nightengale ‏@BNightengale 11s12 seconds ago Chris Sale: We got bold faced lied to. #WhiteSox I see that Sale is fanning the flames. Good to see he is so focused on the upcoming season...

QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Mar 18, 2016 -> 10:23 AM) I definitely loved this story a whole lot more when we didn't know anything and assumed he was retiring because he knew he couldn't contribute because of his back. Same here. I didn't believe the stuff coming out of Florida at first but boy was I wrong. Everyone is going to come out of this stinking like manure.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Mar 18, 2016 -> 09:47 AM) This did work out for the White Sox. The worst thing that could have happened was they pissed of most of the players to keep the ones who alledgedly complained happy and LaRoche complied. At least now they have money to spend, and really only KW looks bad. Maybe JR eventually. JR= The Emperor KW= Lord Vader

Not sure if this has been posted yet but here's Rosenbloom's take. http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/rosen...318-column.html Can't say I disagree with anything he says here.

Just to throw a bit of humor into the thread... LaRoche = Eddie Harris Rollins= Pedro Cerrano " Up your butt, Jobu"

QUOTE (LDF @ Mar 18, 2016 -> 09:00 AM) i know, you are more diplomatic than i. the main quantifier of this whole thing, this was a group of so called boys club and their immaturity and now it might harm the success of the club. just b/c they are so-called adults, per their age says so, they acted like little immature spoiled kids. The " boys club " , as I understand it according to Rock, comes from those that do not want to have to watch what they say or how they say it because there is a kid around all the time. This, I agree with. It's a locker room, not a romper room.