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QUOTE (SCCWS @ Jul 17, 2016 -> 06:59 PM) Agree. Maybe in the offseason, if their years end up badly they would be forced to trade a young stud for a Sale or Q. But at this point, Bradley is probably like Bogaerts almost an untouchable. Now if the White Sox offered Sale next winter, maybe Bradley and 1 high prospect and 1 medium or Q for Betts and 1 high prospect. I'm not keen on trading sale to an AL team. But the Sale deal will be unprecedented. It's not just gona be s 3 prospect deal. If I were trading him to Boston, I'd demand Bogaerts to start, then Moncada, Devers, Benintendi, and Swihart.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jul 17, 2016 -> 06:43 PM) Those teams are not going to give up those major league players during the season if at all. Agreed but that's why I said a deal Hahn couldn't refuse. They're far more likely to dealt in the offseason if at all. If the sox don't sell, which they likely won't, then they might have to move Q for a blockbuster deal in order to make this lineup better. They'd take a hit in the rotation but it might be their only option.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jul 17, 2016 -> 05:40 PM) It is easy to say sell, but once you do sell, unless you are Caulfield, you can't take it back. Some prospects are nice, but who do the Sox trade that brings back top prospects who,actually are any good? There were several people excited about Avi Garcia back in the day. How does acquiring players like that enhance the future? No,way would I trade Sale or Q and not get at least so,etching major league back. Trade Robertson and you will spend the next few years looking for a reliever. It isn't like they are going to be able to make much of a splash in the free agent market. If I were Hahn, I would be looking for offensive upgrades from teams that want financial relief. I think for Sale and Quintana they could bring back two MLB ready impact young players (Jackie Bradley Jr., Betts, Joc Pederson, Corey Seager some names as examples) then six near ready studs (Moncada, Benintendi, Devers, etc. from Boston. Just to name a few) and then a few very young prospects that are a few years away. That's just a ball park of what they'd need to get back. Truth is Hahn and the front office got the Avi trade wrong but did get a couple lower prospects that were used as trade bait (Montas, Wendelken). Do I trust them to sell and rebuild again? I don't think so. I think the sox need to clean house in the front office and bring in some fresh blood. Then completely rebuild the team. If they kept Hahn however, I wouldn't hate it if Q was moved at the deadline for a deal Hahn couldn't refuse. (let's say for arguments sake they moved Q to Boston for Bradley Jr., Moncada, Devers and Benintendi or Swihart) I think I could live with that deal. Gets a young proven all star OF, plus a 2B who is on a fast track to stardom in Moncada, then ya get two more top young prospect hitters. The Sale trade would be the one you take an off-season to work on. That one you HAVE to nail. Then you could turn around and unload the others (Frazier, Melky, etc.) I would keep Anderson, Rodon, Fulmer and Eaton as my new core.

That's very encouraging for Hansen so far. Man I hope we hit a home run. Collins is going to be a boss. An OBP machine. Watching the progress of these kids is definitely distracting me from the big league club. If they don't move Sale or Q, by 2018 we could have a lot of talent on the pitching staff on the big league level with Sale, Q, Rodon, Fulmer, Burdi, Adams, Hansen, etc.

Man I wonder what package the sox could honestly get for Q or Sale from Boston, Texas or LAD? They're not gona do it but I'm just curious.

QUOTE (Dizzy Sox @ Jul 17, 2016 -> 06:02 PM) And he drew two more walks, giving him 4 in his first 3 A+ games. He's gona be a stud. Too bad we don't have a competent front office to build a winner right now or sell the pieces off and have a great new core for when Collins is ready.

Working on a Sunday is more exciting than this. What a s*** show. At least Fulmer had a nice debut.

Swept by the Angels after getting smacked by the Braves is flat out unacceptable.

QUOTE (elrockinMT @ Jul 17, 2016 -> 04:10 PM) I am not going to argue with folks with closed minds or those who can't appreciate how hard this game is. It's one thing to complain or be upsett, I get that we all are, but be realistic about our options. I like all you guys but negative thoughts and comments and the constant bit**ing does nothing but promote more negativity Ya know what promotes negativity? Getting your asses kicked by the Braves and Angels. Most of us, particularly me, bring up selling because it's constructive debate. Something to talk about rather than constant losing, s***ty coaching staff and a terrible front office.

QUOTE (flavum @ Jul 17, 2016 -> 04:08 PM) Hahn may have to go, but if you're not saying Kenny has to go too, you need to amend. I want him gone as well but I'm not sure if JR will do that.

QUOTE (elrockinMT @ Jul 17, 2016 -> 04:02 PM) Hahn is a good solid baseball man. He is not the problem Horse s*** is what that is. Most of his moves blow up in his face. Some good solid baseball man. Hope your post is sarcastic.

Getting asses kicked by the Braves and Angels...yet Robin will have a job

QUOTE (GreenSox @ Jul 17, 2016 -> 08:06 AM) On a different subject, Henry Owens looks counterfeit to me...maybe a 5th starter or AAAA player. He's been in that top prospect mode for too long, esp considering Red Sox pitching issues. Avoid. He walks too many hitters. That's one thing I've noticed.

Both Hahn and Ventura should be gone. There needs to be some serious changes if they end the season how I suspect they will.

QUOTE (CaliSoxFanViaSWside @ Jul 16, 2016 -> 11:19 PM) You would be more accurate if you said he didn't hit the ball to the right side which he is pretty good at. His success early in the game pulling Shoemaker's pitches made him try to pull it which was probably bad thinking . Sometimes Abreu is his own worst enemy . He wants to drive in runs and swings at pitchers pitches too often with guys on base. Some times you have to trust your team mates behind you and take a walk when the pitcher gives you nothing good to hit. I'm also being very kind since no one but you thinks an Abreu bunt should 've been tried there.I'm not sure in all his time with the Sox if he has ever bunted or jokingly squared around to bunt. The poor guy feels like he has to do it all by himself. I don't blame him for that.

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Jul 16, 2016 -> 11:09 PM) For the love of god, sin city sox is a troll. I can't believe some of you guys are wasting your time responding to him. I'm not familiar with many of the trolls on here but that seems like it. For his sake, I sure as hell hope so.

QUOTE (CaliSoxFanViaSWside @ Jul 16, 2016 -> 11:03 PM) Are you incurably pessimistic ? Of course he will do better . Since he was 0-4 getting one hit means he will be better in future games.He's had like a 7-8 month layoff from hitting with a rehab duration of around 30+ plate appearances between the minors and today. It takes a whole team to be shut out 3 straight games and Morneau played a full game in just todays game. But hey there's a possibility he goes hitless the rest of the year if he perishes tragically very soon. He was at least hitting it hard his first few times tonight. Tough luck on the first two I saw.

QUOTE (South Side Fireworks Man @ Jul 16, 2016 -> 10:57 PM) Nobody does. If they can't trade him for a good hitting CF or C with years of control then keep him. The Sox need to spend a LOT of money to fix this mess. They made a lot of money over the decades and their way of doing things got them in this mess so they'll have to overspend now to get this team back to winning again. But this FA class sucks coming up. They're f***ed honestly.

Ya bunt Abreu. Perfect f***ing sense. Has he ever bunted? You don't bunt Abreu EVER. You don't bunt your number 3 hitter EVER.

QUOTE (fathom @ Jul 16, 2016 -> 10:53 PM) If you can get a controllable hitter for 2-3 years for Fulmer, I would love it. You only do it if you don't sell though Lucroy would be ideal. Not sure what his contract is though. Wil Myers would be the guy I'd love to get but they don't have the pieces to. This is why I want to sell. The cupboard is bare in regards to near ready major league talent now that Fulmer and Anderson are up.

f*** it do something else. Anderson Abreu Eaton Melky Frazier Lawrie Morneau Navarro Shuck

QUOTE (South Side Fireworks Man @ Jul 16, 2016 -> 10:48 PM) Sox need to add a good centerfielder that can hit and two good bullpen arms without giving up much talent in return. How are they going to do it? f*** if I know - JR, KW and RH got themselves in this position, let them spend whatever money it takes to get out of it. The last thing I want to see is Rick Hahn and this current organization presiding over a sell off and full rebuild. Buy buy buy! But what I don't want is to give up Fulmer for some mediocre hitter.

QUOTE (Insp @ Jul 16, 2016 -> 10:47 PM) How can you watch a game such as this and not have it affect your sanity? No s***. Third straight shutout by the Braves and Angels. Of course there's a meltdown. This team is garbage and wasting this core sucks.

QUOTE (BigHurt3515 @ Jul 16, 2016 -> 10:45 PM) They never have an approach. I don't even know if they scout their opponents It makes you wonder certainly. This team won't have a future until JR sells or passes on sadly. I wana know what the f*** Steverson and Sparks do with this group of hitters? They don't even have an approach. At least if they were grinding ABs and working counts, I could see something. But there's nothing. No adjustments. I'm not one to say fire the hitting coach every 3 seasons but goddamn Steverson blows or they just flat out don't listen to him.

Time to mix the middle of the lineup up. It won't do much but gota do something. I'm no fan of Robin as a manager but he's between a rock and a hard place. Hahn has dealt nothing but s***ty cards to him. The sad thing is Zack Collins could come up and not be that much worse than Navarro. He's a f***ing hack. Can't catch, can't hit.