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I'd trade almost anyone besides Sale to get Stanton...

QUOTE (maggsmaggs @ Nov 12, 2012 -> 09:20 PM) Then you will most likely be disappointed this off-season. We are already at close to a $100 million payroll for next year. https://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=tK7...amp;output=html Not sure where you think a bigger move that signing a top-10 pitcher comes from. Trading Floyd will certainly not bring anyone more valuable than Jake. Nor will trading any of our prospects. Jake is probably the third best starter on the team (if Danks is healthy) I would hope the hole at third would bring in someone better than that. Oh, and I would also count a trade of, say, Viciedo/Quintana (selling high) or Beckham/Thornton/Floyd (cutting dead weight) no matter who the Sox get in return as "bigger" in that more people are involved and it affects the outlook of the team more.

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Nov 12, 2012 -> 07:32 PM) Peavy's already done. Not sure you'll see a bigger move than that. Unless Peavy is winning 20 next year, he better not be the biggest move.

I don't even know if Hamilton will be in the league in 4-5 years. He can't play a full season and he's proven that he can and will fall off the wagon. Too risky. Either of those two things I mentioned will be contributing factors to his lack of time left. Such a shame. Imagine if he could have stayed clean? What kind of numbers would he have right now? He could easily have Pujols like numbers maybe even better...

This is obviously a practice trade to see how Hahn and the Padres GM like each other. Then Headly comes to the South Side in December

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Nov 6, 2012 -> 09:22 AM) Marco Paddy is all of these guys boss. Gotcha.... couldn't remember his name or position haha

Whatever happened to that guy from Toronto?

If the Sox can sign McCarthy and jettison Floyd, I will be pretty giddy. Sale Peavy McCarthy Danks (Healthy) Santiago/Quintana/Anyone Would look pretty good.

The bullpen is an absolute crapshoot from year to year. Trying hard to really upgrade, and just throwing s*** against the wall to see what sticks might pretty much net you the same results... That being said, I hope Thornton gets traded this off-season

and now a horrible mascot haha

Astros going with the most boring block letters on their new uniforms. I do like the hats though...

I still think Hahn should sell high on Quintana and see what they could get. Cause I think the Q we saw at the end of the season was more the Q we'd get next year. Yes, he was gassed at the end of the year, but no way is he the pitcher we saw from the beginning of the season. He's more in the middle but closer to the guy struggling to get out of the 5th than shutting down the Rangers through 8.... If the Sox are going to have 3 in house lefties in the rotation next year I'd prefer Sale, Danks, Santiago.

I'd love to see Haren in a Sox uniform

QUOTE (GreatScott82 @ Oct 30, 2012 -> 05:01 PM) I disagree. I think Gavin can have a 2005 Garland type season in 2013. Like Garland, Floyd will be slotted in the 4th slot. Doesn't matter where he's slotted he's weak mentally. Garland wasn't. He had inconsistent stuff, but I'd never describe him as a mentally weak player. Gavin has both. Stuff that comes and goes with sometimes multiple starts without having a release point of his curve or fastball, and--with no nicer way to say it-- a losers mentality.

I really hope Gavin is being held out as trade bait. I don't want him or his loser mentality in this rotation anymore.

QUOTE (SOXOBAMA @ Oct 30, 2012 -> 03:05 PM) David Haugh ‏@DavidHaugh New Sox GM busy: Team extends Peavy for two years and exercise option on Gavin Floyd. Solidifies starting staff. Got creative on Peavy deal. Ewww. I like the Peavy deal though.

I'd like to see $$$ figures, but I'm tentatively excited...

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Oct 30, 2012 -> 02:29 PM) Yea, that declaration about the number of championships running through Miami was spot on. Didn't you say the Sox had no shot at competing as well? Maybe you should dig up some of those correct declarations and show me. Don't forget that the Royals were gonna finish ahead of the Sox this season

QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Oct 30, 2012 -> 11:58 AM) If Flowers hits, say, .240... and draws walks at his AAA pace (about .100 Iso)... and hits 20 home runs to help his SLG, which seems like a reasonable number for him... he's going to have an OPS in the high .700's. Even if he falls a bit below that, that's low to mid .700's, and pretty much in line with what AJ gives you in almost any season. But Flower is younger, has shown he is a better defender and better baserunning controller. And oh by the way would cost about half a million for the next few years, as opposed to $6-$8M a year for AJ. I'd take that in a second. And I think he could do it... I love AJ but the time has come to move on, he'll be forever remembered by Sox fans and the organization for 2005 and onward, but it's time to get the fresh young blood in here...

I'm fine letting him go if he doesn't wanna sign cheap. I want to get younger and cheaper. Cant be overly loyal to aging players just because theyre fan favorites. Flowers starting maybe Olivo as a back-up... Flowers can defend better than AJ and honestly I'm fine having a defense/calling a good game first kind of catcher.

Unless the Marlins picked up at least 80% of that contract I want no part of him on the Sox, and even then I'd want him only if the Sox had 3 solid starters before him and used him as a 4 or 5 which would be beneficial for him. He can't match up against Verlander or Scherzer anymore...

QUOTE (Chet Kincaid @ Oct 29, 2012 -> 01:27 PM) The Yanks just did it in 2009. It's not guaranteed to work, but it still works sometimes. Teams like Oakland and Tampa Bay are nice stories, but star power and talent are important too. Yeah they did it in 2009.... after 7 straight years of trying and failing... followed by 3 more years after and still no dice. Look at the Dodgers they tried this season and went in the tank almost immediately. Across the 5 the Angels bought Pujols and still didn't make the playoffs And in a smaller scale the 2012 Tigers. Who stunk for 150 games and turned it on and was able to feast on a weak AL with a combination of luck and a hot streak and got their asses handed to them with it all on the line. Their $20 million star power and talent failing on all levels. The formula for winning is pretty established now. Great pitching and clutch timely hitting.

I would love for the Tigers to go after Hamilton or more offense with $20 million a year back loaded deals and not be able to re-sign Verlander or Scherzer in a few years. Keep trying to buy a championship. It won't work in baseball anymore...

So... it was rust.

The Tigers, and basically all teams from Detroit make themselves really easy to root against. If anyone else in the Central made the series, I honestly wouldn't root against them, and anyone outside of the Yankees and Red Sox I wouldn't root against either. The Tigers and White Sox both end 2012 without a ring. I hope this loss makes Ilitch go insane and sign Josh Hamilton to a backloaded $200 million deal and put them team into an even more dire financial situation in a few years.