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QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jul 19, 2016 -> 11:46 AM) Robertson was a setup man prior to the 2014 season because the New York Yankees had something of a decent closer. If you don't remember that guy he'll be giving a speech 2 years from now. Robertson spent 5+ full seasons in that role and in that role he gets credit for a BS on a bad day but does not get credit for a save on a good day. His Save %age since becoming a full time closer is 86%. Since he became the full time closer for the Yankees.. 85% save rate. However if you look at Addison Reed he has a similar amount of blown saves as a "non closer" since we are going to now use this as some kind of differentiation. I think Reed is worse.. but my point really is more that Robertson is okay but not top tier.. and not worth that kind of money. I'd like my closer to be 90% plus (which 16 closers in MLB were last year).

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Jul 19, 2016 -> 11:55 AM) we can place this narrative next to "Gamethreads are directly affected by games on channel 50" There were a few new people I never realized played in the post season. I'm not sure how that compares to other teams. So yeah if 10/25 of your active roster is a good number I guess I'm wrong. However some aren't really active atm...

just gotta keep grinding it out.

QUOTE (lasttriptotulsa @ Jul 19, 2016 -> 10:02 AM) You're only discounting Shields, Avila and Jackson's playoff experience because it doesn't fit the narrative. And you obviously don't have a clue what you're talking about because Melky and Robertson were both on the 2009 Yankees that won the World Series. Robertson also pitched in 3 other postseasons and Melky was also in the playoffs 2 other times with the Yankees and once with the Braves. I completely forgot the 2009 Yankees... I hadn't remembered the Yankees winning one in quite awhile. So I guess... on our 40 man roster we have 5 players with playoff experience. I guess that's probably common on many bad/mediocre teams. Not sure if it changes my initial "narrative" - we don't have many players who have experienced winning/know how to win at the big league level.

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Jul 19, 2016 -> 10:23 AM) Why isnt Reed closing games anymore lol... I never said Reed was good.. or that I want him closing games. Some dude said Addison Reed comparison was silly... I'm just pointing out they have the same career save %. I'm not saying Reed is good... I'm saying Robertson may not be a closer worth that kind of money. I was starting to believe in him until last night... but going back for two years now he has way too many blown saves.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Jul 19, 2016 -> 09:49 AM) The timing of this blown save really freaking sucked. It's caused a lot of people to overreact a bit, which is understandable. But these sort of things happen. Robertson hasn't been elite, but he's been solid .The comparison to Addison Reed is laughable. Ultimately, David Robertson is not anywhere near this team's bigger problems. Addison reed 81% career save David Robertson 81 % career save. That's before his blow last night... so Reed might be higher now.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jul 19, 2016 -> 09:17 AM) Avila and Jackson made the playoffs four consective seasons. Shields in 2008 and 2014...in the World Series. Robertson with the Yankees when he could throw 96-98. Cabrera with the Giants. Neither Avila and Jackson are playing. Shields hasn't been here very long. Cabrera was suspended for the last couple months and didn't play in the post season. The Yankees never won anything when Roberston was there. So maybe ... a little bit there.. but still pretty thin.

When you look at the roster... what player has won anything at the major league level? I could find any that had.

QUOTE (CaliSoxFanViaSWside @ Jul 19, 2016 -> 01:18 AM) But thats how Robertsons curve acts ,starts high and then dives down. A lot of umps are bad at calling a good knee high curve ball a strike because lots of catchers have to dip their gloves beneath the strike zone to catch it because that's where it goes. I only watched the 1st 3 hitters slowed down pitch by pitch . The 3rd pitch to Cruz was a very nice curve. Navarro set up low and away and Robertson threw it there. Stopped it when I thought ball crossed the plate and it looked perfect. The downward action on the ball made Navarro bring his glove down but he didn't dip his glove . Pitch trax called it a ball and so did the ump. I honestly couldn't blame Navarro on that one either. After the Cruz AB I stopped. Umps miss a good curve ball for the same reason hitters do.They call it a 12 to 6 curve for a reason . It starts off high on the clock (12 o'clock) then dives down to 6 . Honestly I don't agree. I'm a bit confused why you are making excuses for him. I went back and watched it also. I'm 100% sure he could have framed those pitches better. Were they easy to frame? No but he made ZERO effort to sell them as strikes. It's bad catching period. He is well known for his inability to frame pitches. This isn't anything new. http://www.statcorner.com/CatcherReport.php

If you guys like playing together time is running out.

QUOTE (Deadpool @ Jul 18, 2016 -> 11:46 PM) Cool story, bro. Nice post... are you 12? People who watched that inning know what I'm talking about. I blame Robertson more, but Navarro was also a culprit.

QUOTE (SouthSideSale @ Jul 18, 2016 -> 11:41 PM) Nail in the coffin boys. Fire the entire coaching staff after the season. Fire Hahn, Kenny and the scouts. Start fresh. Go all out for a great young group of fresh faces. Sell sell sell. I really don't want to see any of their faces for a long long time.

I just wanted to add what garbage A** catching he does at times. He cost Robertson at least two strikes. Just terrible.

welllll.... not so fast.

QUOTE (elrockinMT @ Jul 17, 2016 -> 04:10 PM) I am not going to argue with folks with closed minds or those who can't appreciate how hard this game is. It's one thing to complain or be upsett, I get that we all are, but be realistic about our options. I like all you guys but negative thoughts and comments and the constant bit**ing does nothing but promote more negativity Getting beat by a last place team by a score of 16-1 over 3 games promotes negativity.

it is pretty remarkable at how bad our hitters can be.... Like the other team could send out a slow pitch league softball pitcher and we would k 14 times... Its some epic ineptitude out there.

Maybe it's not his fault or maybe it is... But man these guys do not play loose or with confidence. Roll up on the Atlanta Braves and the Angels and can't win. I've just seen enough of Robin Ventura... maybe its not even on him. But I just want him to go away.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jul 16, 2016 -> 02:54 PM) If you take a .500 team and pick some selection of 12 games you'll eventually find something that the team has a below .500 record in just based on random chance. It could be afternoon games, sunday games, getaway games, day game after a night game, day after a rainout, day after a trip across the country, wahtever. I really wasn't looking for anything. It just seemed like they always lose after off days. So I looked it up. It could just be random.. or it could be a sign of something.

QUOTE (reiks12 @ Jul 15, 2016 -> 11:37 PM) That doesn't mean anything considering this is just a 500 team 3-9 is well below .500... Though I'm not even sure what you meant by that.

About to go 3-9 after off days.

People worried about Abreu aren't being irrational. He has steadily declined over the past three years. Hopefully he has a huge 2nd half. Even if he isn't the .300 30 hr 100 rbi guy we thought he was going to always be.. he still is better than a lot of the other slop we have.

when Stanton put up 20.. that put the pressure on. I also think the pitcher is very underrated in this. I thought Stanton's pitcher was way more consistent.

Abreu has appeared to be declining.. the basic numbers are straight forward. BUT its more than a little early to be making any conclusions on him. He still has a lot of career to go... after this season is over we can assess more reasonably. He is still driving in runs... which to me is the most important stat for him.

K actually did some research here... Addison Reed 81% career saves David Robertson 81% career saves Sooooo......

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jul 10, 2016 -> 09:29 PM) http://espn.go.com/mlb/stats/pitching/_/year/2015/sort/saves Since we're playing the SV/SVO card, how does that excuse 2015? You have to go all the way down to Fernando Rodney at #31 in total saves to find ANYONE in the top 30 with SEVEN blown saves. Robertson is all alone right there in that category. You can blame the Sox defense all you want, but he hasn't been one of the Top 5 or even Top 10 closers in all of baseball since we signed him. By salary we should be getting ELITE. Last year I thought he didn't play up to expecations... This year he has been up and down a little bit.. but great in save situations. Last year was different...