Bob Sacamano

QUOTE (bmags @ Nov 3, 2017 -> 03:09 PM) Haha they would not turn down Bogaerts and Bradley I know they wouldn't but with that kind of offer, the Marlins are probably eating money which they don't seem to want to do. Also, 2 guys with 2 years of control really doesn't do anything for the Marlins rebuild unless they dealt each of them right away or over the next year.

QUOTE (oldsox @ Nov 3, 2017 -> 03:03 PM) A while back I referenced a Boston newspaper article that mentioned Bogaerts, Bradley, Groome. and one other unnamed prospect. Many here doubted Stanton could get that much. I agree with that now, too. I'm not even sure if those are the guys that they would want since Bogaerts and Bradley have limited control (though, I suppose they could be flipped in the summer). I'm thinking a deal will look similar to the JD Martinez deal with one B-prospect and 2 lesser prospects. And that would be the deal with Marlins paying none of Stanton's contract.

Well, slam the door on any Brantley ideas. https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2017/11/indi...osh-tomlin.html

QUOTE (bmags @ Nov 3, 2017 -> 02:07 PM) So I've kinda been wondering but haven't asked. I know there have been rumors in the cards interest, but isn't the OF their strength? And don't they already have a few too many "all hit/no field" players in OF? They also seem to have plenty of "no hit/no field" players as well.

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Nov 3, 2017 -> 01:34 PM) I still don't see any way that they tender Putnam a contract. I know they like it when he's on the mound, but I don't know how you can guarantee the roster spot of a 30 year old who has spent that much time on the DL. A non-tender and minor league re-signing seems like the most likely route they go with him. 100% agree.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Nov 3, 2017 -> 12:00 PM) red Sox expected to target Hosmer https://www.fanragsports.com/heyman-red-sox...er-this-winter/ He's a guy who likes to go oppo field a lot right? He'd be a great fit for them if so.

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Nov 3, 2017 -> 11:45 AM) I think it would be unwise of the Cardinals to expect Molina to remain completely healthy until he is 38 years old. There are a lot of miles on those legs. I was going to say it probably isn't wise to expect 130+ games either but then I looked and he's started over 130 the past 2 years. But yeah, I wouldn't just expect him to be healthy all year. It doesn't hurt to share more some time with someone younger. So probably not a Garcia for Kelly swap even though they could fill the backup spot with someone like Avila.

QUOTE (GoSox05 @ Nov 3, 2017 -> 11:08 AM) I love Stranger Things. I think the second season was better than the first. I've been saying the same thing. Over half the season isn't Winona Ryder sitting in her family room looking at Christmas lights.

QUOTE (bmags @ Nov 3, 2017 -> 10:20 AM) White Sox Talk‏Verified account @NBCSWhiteSox 49m49 minutes ago UPDATE: The window of opportunity fell on Charlie Tilson and he's out for year: http://bit.ly/2iq1naB Honestly, I 100% came in here expecting injury news.

One thing worth mentioning in regards to the luxury tax amount is that it increases every year. In 2018, it is increasing $2m to $197m and after 2018, increases $9m to $206m in 2019.

QUOTE (Dam8610 @ Nov 2, 2017 -> 07:07 PM) Free Agency - Sign RHSP/DH Shohei Otani to minor league contract - Sign LHRP Mike Minor 3 years $24MM - Sign RHRP Steve Cishek 2 years $14MM - Sign RHRP Tommy Hunter 2 years $10MM - Sign RF Michael Brantley 2 years $16MM Trade - Trade RF Avisail Garcia to Cardinals for C Carson Kelly Projected 2018 Opening Day Depth Chart C: Carson Kelly/Omar Narvaez 1B: Jose Abreu/Nick Delmonico/Matt Davidson 2B: Yoan Moncada/Yolmer Sanchez SS: Tim Anderson/Yolmer Sanchez 3B: Yolmer Sanchez/Matt Davidson LF: Nick Delmonico/Ryan Cordell CF: Leury Garcia/Adam Engel/Charlie Tilson RF: Michael Brantley/Ryan Cordell DH: Shohei Otani/Jose Abreu/Nick Delmonico SP1: Shohei Otani SP2: Lucas Giolito SP3: Reynaldo Lopez SP4: James Shields SP5: Carson Fulmer CL: Mike Minor SU: Steve Cishek SU: Tommy Hunter MR: Juan Minaya MR: Gregory Infante MR: Zach Putnam MR: Jace Fry How unrealistic is this? Rated from most likely to least likely (IMO): Hunter Cishek Brantley Minor Garcia-Kelly swap Otani Tilson being counted on

QUOTE (hi8is @ Nov 3, 2017 -> 12:58 AM) Appel was indeed a full out dud but Aiken turned into Bregman. Exactly. Turned out good for them in the end.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Nov 2, 2017 -> 02:26 PM) It sounds like a chunk will. I remember seeing somewhere that the Sox and Robert were deferring a portion of it until next year to spread out the hit. Oh yeah that would make sense.

QUOTE (ptatc @ Nov 2, 2017 -> 02:23 PM) Similar to Kevin White's surgery. Good luck. So what you're saying is: grab a 1B glove or stay off the field entirely and strictly DH?

QUOTE (GreenSox @ Nov 2, 2017 -> 02:21 PM) Then why trade Kahnle? They'll need a few pitching arms just to eat innings. Otherwise, FAs to hopefully flip in July. They just aren't ready to assess long term needs. Prospects.

QUOTE (Soha @ Nov 2, 2017 -> 02:05 PM) My thought all along was the Robert money was going to come from the 2018 payroll. They knew back then the payroll would be tiny and that's probably where they took the money from. But even beyond that. You don't throw $40 million away for garbage contracts just because you have it. Why would it come from the 2018 payroll?

QUOTE (Sleepy Harold @ Nov 2, 2017 -> 11:48 AM) No surprise here Dan Hayes @HayesNBCS 19s Only one of the 149 players who has filed for free agency played for the #WhiteSox in 2017: Mike Pelfrey. Bye Bye Big Pelf He helped contribute to the tank. Godspeed Pelf...godspeed.

QUOTE (Sox-35th @ Nov 2, 2017 -> 07:27 AM) Me, too. Schwarber is a liability in the National League. That being said, I don't really want to trade prospects for him and fill the DH spot. Well yeah, I think any team taking him would know he's a platoon player. But the left-handed part is going to be playing majority of the time since there are more righties than lefties. Just gotta have a Ryan Raburn type on your bench to split time with.

QUOTE (Joshua Strong @ Nov 2, 2017 -> 12:41 PM) I watched Girls Trip this morning for the third time and I think its the best original comedy since the Hangover or Bridesmaids. I really hope Tiffany Hadish gets some Oscar love, it looks like she's gearing up for a campaign. Hopefully they don't make sequels which ruin the originality of the first one....looking at your Hangover 2 and 3.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Nov 2, 2017 -> 12:34 PM) What we have to keep in mind is the prices. If you're taking on a $50 million deal in order to get a guy, you are basically buying that prospect for $50 million for his 6 years, and absorbing any risk of him flopping or getting hurt, with an additional $30 million or so of costs on the top side. If we'd taken on a $50 million deal to acquire Rodon, right now we'd be less than thrilled with that deal, and if Rodon comes out next year and suddenly turns into an excellent pitcher, we'll still have to pay him an extra $40 million in arbitration over the next 3 years. In other words, if we're talking about buying a prospect like this, that $40-$50 million number floated earlier should buy you one of the top prospects in baseball. That level of money should buy a Robert-quality prospect. $20 million taken on should probably buy someone in the top 100. That's going to be tough to see the Dodgers giving up. Hell, I'm not sure the Dodgers actually have anyone worth buying for those prices. That's why I said at the beginning of this convo that it probably isn't likely.

Justin Upton signed a 5-year deal. He got an extra year and an extra $18 million in this agreement. Honestly, probably a good choice for him.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Nov 2, 2017 -> 11:17 AM) The trick for the Dodgers this offseason is - do they want to really make an effort to get under the luxury tax 1 year? If they do, they can launch a spending spree next offseason without having to pay the multi-year repeater penalties. Based on their previous purchases and guys like Seager hitting arbitration in 2019, it's possible that getting under the tax for 1 year could save them more than $50 million in 2019 and 2020. If that happens to be the case, the deal should probably expand to add another prospect or two and then another over-priced pitcher like McCarthy or Kazmir. With the Sox payroll being so low, it's a possibility for sure. That would be taking on about $40 mill but for only one season if it is Kazmir and about $34 mill for one season if you took on McCarthy. The Sox would have to get some pretty good prospects for that, whether it be low minors or not. White Sox off-season outlook on MLBTR has their payroll at $45 mill after arbitration raises as of now.

QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ Oct 5, 2017 -> 08:22 AM) Actually, before he goes through the Japanese posting process, the MLB and NPB have to AGREE to a posting process, as the current one expired with the end of our season. This is an underreported component of this story. One of the reporters on a Japanese baseball podcast I follow said that Yomiuri (the newspaper) published some leaked proposals from the MLB, and they all look substantially worse for the NPB than the previous system, which is right on line with the way the trend has gone. The consensus opinion over there seems to be that these proposals are simply not good enough and the NPB should push back, but the podcaster specifically opined that he wasn't sure the NPB has the backbone to do so. But, based on Manfred's public opinions about non-draft eligible new players, if the NPB DID push back much, the MLB seems unlikely to cave, even if it meant there was no system in place for the foreseeable future. If no agreement is in place, the only way Otani (this is the correct spelling, despite the fact that his jersey says 'Ohtani' -- according to a Japanese intern here at work, Japanese baseball takes the correctness of the name on the jersey much less seriously than American baseball, meaning that the players choose whatever they want to be on there, with many choosing first names or even nicknames. Several players have added an 'h' after a stressed 'O' apparently to encourage foreigners to actually pronounce their names correctly. Yos***omo Tsutsugo(h) is another example of a star who adds an 'h.' The correct way to pronounce 'Otani' is with the emphasis on the first syllable \OH-tuh-knee\ as opposed to the way we all seem to want to say it with the emphasis on the second syllable \oh-TAH-knee\) can come to America this offseason is if the Fighters decide to grant him unconditional free agency with no compensation at all. This, obviously seems extremely unlikely to occur, BUT That same podcaster personally believes that the Fighters WOULD grant him free agency, because they are specifically trying to brand themselves as a place for young superstars to choose to play specifically because they can be trusted to be lenient when said superstars want to jump to the MLB. Furthermore, those leaked proposals all call for posting fees to, essentially, equal about 15% of the contract that the player ultimately signs. So, in Otani's case, where the absolute maximum he could earn is something like $8mm, and likely far less, the Fighters don't stand to gain much anyway -- almost certainly less than a million bucks. It's all very interesting. Quoting this because it is now relevant. https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2017/11/nego...ree-agency.html

QUOTE (Dunt @ Nov 2, 2017 -> 11:08 AM) Yup, I'm conservatively expecting mid May, early June. Anything earlier is bonus. Another idea for this offseason: -Work out a trade with the Dodgers where you are taking on the rest of AGon's contract and getting Yusniel Diaz or DJ Peters Would the current Dodgers front office with Andrew Friendman do that kind of deal though? I think it's more likely they'd just release Gonzalez then trade prospects away with him.

QUOTE (bmags @ Nov 2, 2017 -> 09:39 AM) Astros found so much value giving some players chance to figure it out at big league level that would have been marginalized on a competing club. Makes me want to not sign any position players, which was a preference anyway, but underscores it. Yeah I don't think there really is any room to add position players. Even if they were to deal one of Abreu and Avi, there is still other guys in the minors we can give a chance.