Bob Sacamano

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Nov 8, 2016 -> 03:52 PM) Well, he would be WAY cheaper, even with the spectre of arbitration hanging over him. Exactly. Abreu on 3 years and a pretty cheap deal and only giving up 2-3 good prospects seems better overall than signing Encarnacion to a 4-5 year deal, giving up $100-125 mill to a 34 year old (Abreu also has age on his side for the most part) DH/1B, and losing a prospect (draft pick).

QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Nov 8, 2016 -> 03:12 PM) Why not? Sale and Quintana, their markets are well documented for potential suitors. Jones is comparable to Ken Giles. Adam Eaton has just come off the best year of his career and their are many good teams out there looking for a good/great cheap 1B (Red Sox, Rangers, Pirates, Astros) Because I'm not certain that about 5 teams are looking to unload 3-5 of their best young players right now. You make the smart move which is not always taking the best trade offer available.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Nov 8, 2016 -> 03:10 PM) How are we selling high on Abreu again? His value has diminished considerably from midseason 2014. I may be crazy, but giving up 2 or 3 good prospects for 3 years of Abreu sounds better than giving up one prospect (a draft pick) and $125 million to a 34-year old Encarnacion (I guess it depends on if the team is also looking not to spend a lot of cash or not).

QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Nov 8, 2016 -> 03:07 PM) If we do sell, Sale, Quintana, Eaton, Jones, Abreu, and Robertson all need to go. Keep Lawrie, Frazier, and Melky and trade them at the deadline unless blown away with an offer. You may not get that many hauls for that first group. 4 if not all 5 would require a lot. It makes sense that one or two are dealt and the others slowly get dealt over next year or two. I would also wait until the deadline to move Robertson so he can recoup some value.

QUOTE (Real @ Nov 8, 2016 -> 02:59 PM) It's hilarious that there are journalists and even posters on this site that actually believe the Sox are gonna blow it up. should know better by this point We'll see after the first move. I don't want to believe or expect anything until I see the first official move and not just speculation and rumors.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Nov 8, 2016 -> 02:46 PM) Chris Cotillo ‏@ChrisCotillo 4h4 hours ago Blue Jays and Edwin Encarnacion have made at least some progress in talks, source tells SB Nation. @ShiDavidi said Jays are making push. Am I crazy to think that any team with interest in EE should also have similar interest in Abreu?

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Nov 8, 2016 -> 02:43 PM) I tried to tell everyone Ricky pretty much said that to season ticketholders in August. Obviously he just won't sell everyone regardless of the bid. Teams are going to have to meet a price,but if they do, they are rebuilding. I do remember you saying that and I've been wanting to believe it but feel like I can't until I see the first move lol So if they sell, who gets moved? I would assume one of Sale/Quintana for a haul, Miguel Gonzalez (maybe?) to a team in need of back end starter depth, Frazier, and Melky? Robertson and Lawrie as guys who can be moved in the summer?

QUOTE (Dunt @ Nov 7, 2016 -> 03:45 PM) How is Rymer supposed to be with the glove? I could definitely see him starting in LF next season if this is a full rebuild Definitely. Especially if they deal Melky (he can even DH).

QUOTE (SouthSideSale @ Nov 8, 2016 -> 08:06 AM) Benintendi, Devers, Kopech, Rodriguez, and someone else and I'd likely pull the trigger. If you add Nate Jones in the deal it's even bigger. I think Sale absolutely deserves Moncada in return but they seem hell bent on not giving him up. I'd love to get Moncada as well and start him off in AAA, but I could see their reasoning for wanting to hold onto him. They did invest like $60 mill into him and sacrificed the opportunity to sign big international prospects for 2 years.

QUOTE (JUSTgottaBELIEVE @ Nov 8, 2016 -> 06:49 AM) http://www.csnchicago.com/chicago-white-so...op-priority-red Granted, I believe it is posturing, if it isn't, why the f*** wouldn't you want Chris Sale in your rotation? Lol

QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Nov 8, 2016 -> 07:42 AM) I think that Benintendi and Devers is fair. Add SWihart. Plus Kopech and another arm. That probably gets it done. Benintendi, Devers, Kopech, Groome, and a catcher as a throw-in?

QUOTE (SouthSideSale @ Nov 7, 2016 -> 07:55 PM) There's been talk Devers may be the best of the bunch. I want him in any deal. Moncada, Benintendi, Devers and Rodriguez or Kopech? I have a feeling we only get one of the OF and one of the IF and if any other position players come in the deal, they are farther away. And then 2 of their better young arms.

QUOTE (chw42 @ Nov 7, 2016 -> 05:28 PM) So they think we'll be buyers? Those are 3 moves a rebuilding team can make as well. Good defensive catcher and left handed reliever (we have almost no depth for either) and Beltran fills DH hole. Still have to put a team on the field.

QUOTE (fathom @ Nov 7, 2016 -> 03:54 PM) Don't have time to check but did anyone post Crasnick's quote from an NL scout saying Sox are sick of Sale's antics? Goes along with everything I've heard. I think it was the scout's own speculation like they COULD be sick of his antics and could be part of the motivation to move him.

QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Nov 7, 2016 -> 02:07 PM) Keith Law has him as the #2 overall free agent. He had a .391 OBP. I think he goes off the board pretty early at the Winter Meetings. 4/70 Agreed. Nowhere near the same as last off-season where he was the 4th/5th best OF option available, likely less than that position player wise.

Makes sense. The Sox are very thin on left-handed reliever depth.

QUOTE (NCsoxfan @ Nov 7, 2016 -> 12:06 PM) The goal is not to trade for Heyward because he's good - it's the opposite. It's essentially taking on salary to allow us to get even more of their great players. Not dissimilar to when you retain salary to get more prospects. You wouldn't consider it for Baez, Schwarber, Soler, and our pick of 3-4 prospects? Teams like the Braves have done that but for contracts that expired a year or two later. We would potentially have Heyward for 7. F that.

QUOTE (bmags @ Nov 7, 2016 -> 11:46 AM) Thanks for sharing. Nice to read people recognize value of players like Jones/Quintana *cough cough* Rosenthal I didn't even think of Jones as a comparable to Giles of last off-season. If we were to receive a similar deal, whoa.

QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Nov 7, 2016 -> 09:07 AM) Ha. I started following him on Twitter since the trade deadline, and that seem to sum him up perfectly. lol I think so too.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Nov 7, 2016 -> 08:58 AM) We already have had posters say the Sox blew it by not trading Sale and Quintana at the deadline even after it was reported Benetendi and Moncada weren't on the table. The reality is, unless it's an obvious overpay, if a trade is made involving these guys, there are going to be calls for RH's head. And if no trade is made, it is going to be widely assumed they turned down an overpay. That anyone would even consider Mike Trout too little for Chris Sale, it's hard to imagine a Sale trade getting universal praise. That drunk whitesoxdave guy with the connections to the clubhouse reported the deal offered by Boston was Benintendi and I think 3 starters. Wasn't it reported the White Sox wanted Bradley Jr?

QUOTE (gatnom @ Nov 6, 2016 -> 02:17 PM) I believe he's listening. But, what will he do if nobody is willing to meet his prices? Stand pat? Try to improve the roster? Hahn's prices don't seem to be met often. If he doesn't get the right offers, I think they attempt to "go for it." What the cutoff date would be and how many guys are off the market? Who knows.

According to Nick Cafardo. Hahn is listening on everyone. http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2016/11/al-c...p;post-id=76412

QUOTE (JUSTgottaBELIEVE @ Nov 6, 2016 -> 09:14 AM) I have no issue with signing FAs like Melancon, Weiters (assuming he's not a QO FA), Reddick, and a fifth starter. Melancon probably gets a 3-4 year deal (no QO), Wieters probably takes a 1 year deal (no QO, but I think he stays in Bal), Reddick could probably get a 4-5 year deal (A's tried to extend him for 3, he wanted 4, could probably get 5 in this market, also no QO), Fifth starter: if no one from our rotation is dealt, it probably remains how it is now. If they signed that group above and the team is not contending in July, then blow it up.

QUOTE (ChiliIrishHammock24 @ Nov 6, 2016 -> 02:46 AM) MLBTradeRumors suggested that the Angels may be in on Sale. I'm finding it hard to figure out a trade match with them, considering their farm system is historically bad. I suppose you would immediately start with RF Kole Calhoun and a prospect package of 1B Matt Thiass, OF Jahmai Jones, C Taylor Ward, and LHP Nate Smith, although none of those are even top 100 prospects, but happen to be 4 of the top 5 that the Angels have. Just doesn't seem like a fit. They can be interested all they want, but no way they are getting him.

Dodgers were looking to move Ruiz in the next couple days to not have to pay out his 2017 season. Maybe we can buy low on him and he can at least be the right-handed bat in a platoon?